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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"For me it is. Even before you get into the mind field of believing in hell, I honestly couldn't care less.
Worth also pointing out that he also said hell awaits drunks, adulterers, liars, atheists and a few others too. Now I'm actually a few of them myself and still I couldn't care less. Doesn't mean I won't be entertained by his rugby talent tho.'"
The difference is the history that LGBT people have had to endure vs "adulterers, liars, atheists". you've never felt unsafe because you lied or got drunk, or felt like you couldn't be out in public drunk.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Well they aren't developing French players as they dropped the academy, they can't find any talent in the French domestic game, and few English are on the market as English clubs need bigger rosters for their reserve team commitments.
So they have pretty much descended to TWP's policy of a shock signing of a past it player who will fill column inches, hiding these two clubs real failures to develop players. People should note these are supposed to be the "flagship" clubs for French and American expansion.
I can't see the expansion but Lockwood in his league Weekly rag this week still sees
"expansion"........'"
Iain Watson has been up in arms this last few weeks as Catalan have been trying to tap-up a couple of Salford's forwards a few weeks before the start of the season. They are morally bankrupt as an organisation, so signing Folau will be no skin off their noses.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Iain Watson has been up in arms this last few weeks as Catalan have been trying to tap-up a couple of Salford's forwards a few weeks before the start of the season. They are morally bankrupt as an organisation, so signing Folau will be no skin off their noses.'"
And they will reap what they sow on that front. They are morally bankrupt, and that’s why their culture as an organisation and team is dreadful, and that’s why, regardless of how much they spend and who they sign, they’re going nowhere fast in terms of success.
Leave them to it.....
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| Quote ="IR80"dress it up however you want, the majority of fans and clubs do not want him in SL.'"
As I said the Hypocrisy runs deep.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"As I said the Hypocrisy runs deep.'"
explain how it's hypocritical.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"As I said the Hypocrisy runs deep.'"
It's strange how Union dont want him, the NRL wont touch with a barge pole and yet, Catalan are happy to take him on.
If he'd posted the same things about a different group say, blacks or Jews etc, there would have been an international outcry and rightly so.
The analogy against other "criminals" in our game is a little different.
In the modern world, you just cannot say the kind of stuff that he tweeted, especially if you are a public figure.
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| Quote ="IR80"explain how it's hypocritical.'"
Just look at the characters who come into the sport. We've had wife beaters ffs. Their was no pitchforks out demanding they not be allowed to play.
If people don't want Izzy in the game so be it but don't upset about that yet criminal convictions are ok.
Robert Lui was released from the Tigers for beating up his wife and then made SL his home? You cool with that?
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| Great signing for Catalan. Players have done lot worse stuff then him and have been welcome to play.
Izzy should be allowed to play in Super League.
You can't allow players who have beat up there wives or girlfriends to play while refusing Izzy.
The RFL knew they could not stop this.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's strange how Union dont want him, the NRL wont touch with a barge pole and yet, Catalan are happy to take him on.
If he'd posted the same things about a different group say, blacks or Jews etc, there would have been an international outcry and rightly so.
The analogy against other "criminals" in our game is a little different.
In the modern world, you just cannot say the kind of stuff that he tweeted, especially if you are a public figure.'"
NRL clubs did want him just the NRL wouldn't register him.
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We're back to, if you can play, we will forget any misdemeanors
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We're back to, if you can play, we will forget any misdemeanors
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"Just look at the characters who come into the sport. We've had wife beaters ffs. Their was no pitchforks out demanding they not be allowed to play.
If people don't want Izzy in the game so be it but don't upset about that yet criminal convictions are ok.
Robert Lui was released from the Tigers for beating up his wife and then made SL his home? You cool with that?'"
Lui didn't say everyone should beat their wife, or that all women deserve a beating (which is, in effect, what Folau said about homosexuals)
I have asked this question before, how is hitting a woman any worse than hitting a man?, violence is violence.
using a phrase like "you cool with that" is letting that mask slip.
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| Only a crass RLfans poster would link to an article about a man who has just died, along with 8 others (including his daughter)
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| All the expansionists defending this signing, what a surprise.
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| How long before a French RU club sign him on big money?
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| Quote ="IR80"Lui didn't say everyone should beat their wife, or that all women deser ed a beating (which is, in effect, what Folau said about homosexuals)
I have asked this question before, how is hitting a woman any worse than hitting a man?, violence is violence.
using a phrase like "you cool with that" is letting that mask slip.'"
It's not but I don't buy someone inflicting violence on an innocent party is somehow more tolerable than words someone used.
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| Quote ="Willzay"All the expansionists defending this signing, what a surprise.'"
Come on, that has nothing to do with this discussion and by bringing expansion into the argument, you are deliberately or otherwise, deflecting the heat from the issue.
Catalan have signed numerous "bad boys" but, to argue in favour or against expansion based on this is just ridiculous.
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| Quote ="Superted"Same old same old, everybody is up in arms because we need to be ‘inclusive’, but only to those who hold the same views as them.
I don’t agree with his comments, I have my own personal views on him as an individual (and anyone else who can follow religion to the extremes), but you can’t exclude someone due to their religious beliefs - that’s not ‘inclusive’.
Putting it on social media is wrong, and there needs to be sanctions outlined for if he does that (which it appears there are), but what he’s done isn’t a hate crime, he wasn’t punished legally, and his victory over the ARU shows that if push comes to shove, excluding him from the sport would be illegal. Now most clubs you’d like to think would look at him and think ‘yeah, he’s potentially a great player (though probably not now at his age and having been in Union so long), but actually, our clubs culture and belief systems are so different to his, that his talents aren’t worth compromising our standards for’... Catalan clearly don’t have that self-worth, which can also be seen in their approach to professionalism elsewhere (see Kenny Edwards recent comments)
The best response is to do exactly what Wigan have done - show that whilst he may hold ridiculous and bigoted views, the rest of us are well and truly on the opposite side of the argument to him.
Live and let live folks - just shake your head at him, and the Catalan club.'"
A good post.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Come on, that has nothing to do with this discussion and by bringing expansion into the argument, you are deliberately or otherwise, deflecting the heat from the issue.
Catalan have signed numerous "bad boys" but, to argue in favour or against expansion based on this is just ridiculous.'"
It was an observation, those defending the signing of this homophobe also seem to be pro Toronto.
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| What odds would I get for Catalans to beat Wigan in the Grand final and Folou to score the winning try?
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"It's not but I don't buy someone inflicting violence on an innocent party is somehow more tolerable than words someone used.'"
you are entitled to your opinion, the morality of it is something for you to wrestle with yourself.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"What odds would I get for Catalans to beat Wigan in the Grand final and Folou to score the winning try?'"
What odds would you like cos, that isn't going to happen
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"What odds would I get for Catalans to beat Wigan in the Grand final and Folou to score the winning try?'"
I think it's a safer bet that when he receives less than warm welcomes on his travels and the Dragons choke it again this season, that he'll be unable to help himself and say something again.
In fact, they've put in a cast iron get out clause for him by saying that his contract is void if anything occurs. I can see him exercising that in the future if all doesn't go according to his plan.
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| Quote ="IR80"He is guilty of a hate crime and, therefore, should not be allowed into tne country.'"
Are you for real, go on then where was the prosecution? What an idiotic comment.
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| I hope 10k extra people come to the KCOM when he plays against Hull just to boo him
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