What you failed to do here whilst trying to be clever is not put that post in context, it was a direct response to a post before it...

Unless you think that was a serious post.

What’s cringe worthy is you going through posts and posting them out of context.

Another straw man, where did I post saying the Northern Hemisphere revolves around Leeds.

But we still have the same problem. Whoever goes down will be stronger than whoever goes up, whoever goes up will end up with the best players from whoever goes down and next year the cycle will continue. I would like to see the team going up given a helping hand in the form of...………… to help them to survive.

Toronto (if they go up) won't be buying London players (if they go down)....they will strengthen buy paying transfer fees...essentially continuing to "buy" success. They will sign a couple of big name Aussies and will have agents "tapping up" top players from the top 5 or 6 SL clubs.....the real issue is who will go down in 2020....because it won't be Toronto (should they come up this year)

I still think that the comp will be expanded to 14 once the season is over and the next TV deal will be announced.

If we cannot strengthen the Championship until it can be a feeder for SL we would be better having a SL with all of the strong teams in it and then franchising sorry licensing.

Do you think a TV company would care about a few hundred leeds fans cancelling their subscriptions? Would any non leeds supporter cancel their subscriptions? leeds have been dire for 3 of the last 4 seasons so no one is subscribing to SKY to watch them, nor are sponsors flocking to the sport because of them.

SKY will be negotiating a 3-5 year deal and leeds not being in SL or one of those will have no effect whatsoever.

bradford were a similar sized club to leeds and them going down has had no effect whatsoever on the SKY contract.

It's hilarious that leeds fans are now fabricating this scenario where everything will be worse without them now they're in danger of the drop

Straw man? Is that your phrase of the day? Stop inventing scenarios that justify in your mind that leeds should be some kind of special case. SL miraculously survived bradford being relegated and they'd do the same with leeds

Must try harder, codswallop

Who said anything about cancelling subscriptions? No I doubt you’d see many at all cancelling if Leeds went down but we’re talking about viewing figures. If Leeds aren’t in SL next season then the total number of viewers for all the games combined over the course of the year will be significantly down compared to this year, you only have to look at how much we’ve been shown on Sky this year still including against HKR instead of a Saints/Wigan Derby to see that.

If Leeds go down they may well be straight back up but we don’t know or can’t promise Sky that and we need them more then they need us so any idea Sky will take the approach “oh I’m sure it’ll be fine and they’ll be back next year” is fanciful.

A number of times I’ve heard the “we survived Bradford going down”.... yes SL has “survived it” but we certainly haven’t thrived since then and we’d be in a much stronger position with the Bradford of 15-20 years. Plus losing one is one thing, losing a 2nd big club is another.

Whilst you can keep with the hyperbole claiming that Leeds fans are saying SL will be doomed without us....no you won’t be doomed nor will it destroy SL, but it will cause a hit to tv and sponsorship which is never ideal especially for a sport that needs to be taking forward steps.

Don't think Leeds have any real value in the SKY grand scheme of things, these days the new "boys on the block" are Castleford and Hull on that side of the pennines. What annoys me sometimes on the televised home games with Leeds is the brass band background noise its getting worse than the Huddersfield cow bell.

Yeah that’s why 7 of Leeds’ last 9 games have been on Sky and with games against Hudds and Saints coming up it’ll 9 in 12.

People will still watch no matter what game is on. I don't watch a game purely because it is Leeds on sky. I just watch because I enjoy the sport. There is a couple of tasty looking fixtures every week so it wouldn't be hard to still pick interesting fixtures if Leeds went down (saying that, sky do manage to mess this up at times already!).
The fewer games on TV with that awful band in the background, the better (for me at least).

Some people do tune in regardless of whose playing but many won’t either otherwise you’d get a more even spread of televised games between all 12 clubs.

The band might be annoying, that won’t bother Sky. Sky are not a charity who are just going to offer us whatever we want. Sky will want to offer us as little as they can get away with. If they can walk into negotiations saying you’ve just lost your biggest supported club who they usually show 2/3rds of their games a year they’ll use that to get a better deal FOR THEM. Unlike football we don’t have a host of different tv companies desperate to show us so SL isn’t in a position of strength nor have a good record of securing good deals so if anybody thinks Sky will role over for them is living in a fantasy land.

I’ll stop writing Straw Man when you stop posting them.

You’ve just done it again, who has said SL won’t survive without Leeds, it seems you’re incapable of actually responding to the words people are writing.

Hasn't Cas been on Sky more than Leeds?.

Yes that have but, unlike seasons where Leeds were performing well, this season it has been akin to looking out of the car window when there are blue flashing lights on the other carriageway.
You know that you shouldn't look but, just cant help seeing a train wreck

bit rich considering your team has only won 1 of their last 8 including a Sky match against were Leeds nilled you and none of your team could stop fatty Lolohea going 80m against. Something about glass houses and stones considering your last 2 tv showings at Catalans and Wigan.

Hang on, surely the inclusion of Toronto in SL (assuming they make it), will surpass the interest any other side.
They are the future, we must embrace them, Toronto are our saviours







Being serious for a moment, they (Toronto) will create plenty of interest in their first couple of seasons.

Absolute nonsense, they have focused on the relegation battle as its interesting Leeds just happen to be in it. Would be covering those ganes irrespective of who's is playing.

Leeds will be missed if relegated but the world will keep spinning day will turn to night and things will continue. This idea that the game will implode if the worst team in the league goes down is bonkers.

Yeah but, as train wrecks go, Trinity are like an old escort with a small dent in the bumper but, Leeds are something altogether bigger and shinier, that is more akin to a new Rolls Royce, with smoke coming from under the bonnet and a couple of well to do blokes looking on disappointed

Again who has said it will implode?

Whats is being said is that SL as a whole will be in a weaker position without it’s best supported club in it, it’s hardly a controversial statement.

Fatty Lolohea is already starting to shine now he's receiving some quality coaching in a non toxic enviroment, how's Rob doing he's not been ruined yet has he ?

By who exactly? As a Salford and Man Utd fan it'll give me great pleasure watching Leeds Utd and Leeds Rhinos slumming it in the 2nd tier of their respective leagues.

I'm sure there are plenty others as well who'd feel exactly the same.

Once again so many people letting their partisan nonsense cloud their judgement about what's best for the actual game.

If Leeds finish bottom should we be relegated? Yes, absolutely 100% of course we should. They're the rules and what's good for everyone else is good for us.

Will that hurt Super League? Yes, absolutely 100% of course it will. If Sky were just about to renegotiate their Premier League coverage and Liverpool or Man Utd had just been relegated then their offer would be lower. So it will be with SL.

Like Leeds or not, they are one of the few marquee sides in the competition and if the worst happens then it will, unfortunately, cost the league financially.

On a sporting and competitive level I have no problem with people revelling in our demise (I had a bigger problem with people who refused to accept that we deserved our success to be honest) as that's sporting rivalry, but that doesn't mean you can't also recognise that Leeds going down brings problems with it. It doesn't mean you think Leeds are the be all and end all of the game, it doesn't mean you think SL won't survive without Leeds, it just means you've got a bit of a handle on reality.

Hopefully it won't come to that and we'll play our way out of trouble, we'll know soon enough.

London or Wakefield for me. If Broncos win 2 games, can Wakey win the one that is required to keep them safe ?