I think his coach would disagree behind close doors...job done...pat on the back Mr Hansen. Dark arts.

Something along those Lines - Yes - And?

So No reply then to the statements made?
You would say it was "Violence"?
You would say that his coach told him to deliberately do that?
You think if the coach did say that Hansen was the player he would pick to do that? A player with as far as I am aware an exemplary record?
And it was more deliberate, violent, dirty, whatever you want to call it than Westwood?

Ok



I guess it was Richards fault that Monaghan went off also?

I'll guarantee that there'll be no excuses from me tomorrow if Wigan lose.

I could argue numerous things in finals that we've lost, I won't though.
Because top line is you play the game, you win or lose.
Take it on the chin and get on with it - And certainly don't get your excuses in early, it's like setting yourself up to fail.

As I've said on this and another thread (Mal Reilly thread) there's people who want the game played tough/hard etc. and yet the Faux outrage when a penalty or a decision doesn't go there way is laughable.
To be fair there's a lot of fans of all teams that are the same, same as All teams play and try to do the same things i.e. slow the PTB down etc.
However some fans and some teams moan when it doesn't go there way and look for excuses. Others just get on with the job and get it done.

Nope. Was against Cas

Regards

King James

It didn't. Just a suggestion but why don't you try reading the research rather than making I'll informed comments.

Not defending it btw but let's not pretend it was something it wasn't. People get assaulted like that literally every day without suffering what this punch was supposed to have caused. A blow from Mike Tyson, never mind Ben Flower, couldn't cause what this is being blamed for... and again I mean that literally.

The player was never the same again - seldom do people get such a direct hit from a defenceless prone position as Hohaia was and seldom from a athlete that so highly trained. We see plenty of cases where one punch can kill someone. I think you need to read the research.

He should have received a life ban - there is a difference between throwing punches that can be defended but to hit someone who cannot defend themselves is gutless and has no place in our game.

Quote ="Sal Paradise"The player was never the same again - seldom do people get such a direct hit from a defenceless prone position as Hohaia was and seldom from a athlete that so highly trained. We see plenty of cases where one punch can kill someone. I think you need to read the research. He should have received a life ban - there is a difference between throwing punches that can be defended but to hit someone who cannot defend themselves is gutless and has no place in our game.'" We've never seen anything like that at Wigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HCyzM0V4pk It was his last season

Quote ="Sal Paradise"The player was never the same again - seldom do people get such a direct hit from a defenceless prone position as Hohaia was and seldom from a athlete that so highly trained. We see plenty of cases where one punch can kill someone. I think you need to read the research. He should have received a life ban - there is a difference between throwing punches that can be defended but to hit someone who cannot defend themselves is gutless and has no place in our game.'" We've never seen anything like that at Wigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HCyzM0V4pk It was his last season

Westwoods cheap shot on green was disgraceful. Wigan fans call him a thug yet their coach openly admits he is the one player he would've loved to have coached.

Quote ="Mash Butty"We've never seen anything like that at Wigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HCyzM0V4pk It was his last season'" Still a "tickle" compared to Flowers attack on Hohaia.

Quote ="Mash Butty"We've never seen anything like that at Wigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HCyzM0V4pk It was his last season'" Still a "tickle" compared to Flowers attack on Hohaia.

Sounds like an instruction to me.

Quote ="Mash Butty"We've never seen anything like that at Wigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HCyzM0V4pk It was his last season'" Morley never actually connected he just ran over him - unlike Mick Cassidy in the same game So yes you have seen something equally as bad at Wigan Did you forget that? I also remember a great try from Brad Godden

Quote ="Mash Butty"We've never seen anything like that at Wigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HCyzM0V4pk It was his last season'" Morley never actually connected he just ran over him - unlike Mick Cassidy in the same game So yes you have seen something equally as bad at Wigan Did you forget that? I also remember a great try from Brad Godden

I have read the research. I suggest you do the same but I'll summarise here for you. The condition Hohaia retired from cannot be caused by a single blow. It is a cumulative condition. The research was carried out on NFL players who essentially wear crash helmets so the effects of large blows should, in theory, be largely diminished. What the research found was that it wasn't large blows that were the cause of the condition but repetition of small impacts. In fact the impacts could be quite small. Hohaia has had numerous concussions throughout his career (it came out in the aftermath of the GF incident) and had actually suffered similar symptoms previously. Why do you think he didn't sue?

Daryl Goulding similarly had to retire early and Kevin Brown is currently under observation. Again, these are the results of continuous and regular blows to the head, not from one single blow. In both cases (if and when it happens to Brown) a single incident will be the last thing that happens before they need/needed to retire. However, in no way, would that incident be the cause.

Let me liken it to a car crash. You see a car plough into a wall. On investigation it turns out the brakes had failed. It would be like you saying "of course the brakes have failed... it's just ploughed into a wall!"

You're confusing cause and effect.

I remember a couple more later in the season in the semi final and final.

You confuse my post - you suggested it wasn't possible to die from a single punch to the head even if it were Mike Tyson - that is simply untrue. Research supported by tangible evidence sugests your theory is wrong.

No he didnt

What the club doctor was most concerned about was the vertical direct impact because the skull couldn't deflect and take some of the shock. For example drive over a pothole with no suspension and you are going to know about.

That punch wasn't anything to do with sport it was split second madness of GBH.

I wonder if some rugby might break out during everyone's anticipated thug fest, that will hopefully be talked about after the game?

Calmer winds but more rain tomorrow

“Knock people out... I can’t give you more of a free reign than that... Create ing mayhem, be reckless, because that’s what’s going to get us a ing win.”

I find it funny when Wigan fans constantly bring up that Westwood punch on Green (must see it posted on here half a dozen times a year) when their own coach said that.

“be reckless”!

I’m pretty sure quotes can be taken from any coaches pre match team talk and used to suit an agenda.

Not particularly good grammar but I’ll add one from the same teamtalk. ‘But do it legal’

A must

I am going for a Warrington win. Have had a soft spot for them since I saw them beat my team back in the late 40's. It was my first match at the Boulevard in Hull and their team included Brian Bevan, Harry Bath, Gerry Helme and Roy Francis among others. Roy Francis then joined Hull in 1949 as team captain,then became captain/coach and finally coach to provide a golden period in their history during the 50's when they reached 3 successive GF's,winning 2.

I like Wane and what he's about.
Hope he goes out a winner.

Quote ="Sal Paradise"Morley never actually connected he just ran over him - unlike Mick Cassidy in the same game So yes you have seen something equally as bad at Wigan Did you forget that? I also remember a great try from Brad Godden '" If the ref had more bottle he would have sent him off and Cassidy wouldn't have needed to retaliate and in this game too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxM8gG3G7Dg&t=122s 7 mins in, 2 dirty players getting away with their best He never got the bans he deserved in this country but the aussies banned him enough, they had the bottle. By the way did you enjoy the result last night?

Quote ="Sal Paradise"Morley never actually connected he just ran over him - unlike Mick Cassidy in the same game So yes you have seen something equally as bad at Wigan Did you forget that? I also remember a great try from Brad Godden '" If the ref had more bottle he would have sent him off and Cassidy wouldn't have needed to retaliate and in this game too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxM8gG3G7Dg&t=122s 7 mins in, 2 dirty players getting away with their best He never got the bans he deserved in this country but the aussies banned him enough, they had the bottle. By the way did you enjoy the result last night?