It’s funny he should say that because if you went to a baseball game in Toronto this season you would find a similar thing. I was there last night and at times there was absolutely no crowd response when a home player got out - none. It’s more of a social occasion, even more so fir a Wolfpack game where most of the people have a very cursory grasp of the rules! There is also very little tradition of slating the ref, your own team, away fans or the away team which I always find odd. It can get noisy when something big happens but no real heritage of singing or just chanting because...it’s just different. But if they pays their money..,

Most people from Leyth are bitter and ingrates. Perhaps Leigh Centurions should have been invoiced for the flights and accommodation instead of allowing their staff to whinge, whinge whinge...geez! A chance of a lifetime for some folk to visit N.America and all they do in WHINGE!!

Toronto is nothing particularly special and I have lived there for the last 16 years. It’s just different to the UK but so is Afghanistan!

I was watching a live feed video yesterday a dear and kind TWP fan bothered to stream to the general public of their game at the beautifully ornate The Shay stadium, and the user panned around to show a pretty full main stand and 3/4 full stand behind the goaline suggesting a crowd of maybe 3000+.
My point? Though many fickle short sighted 'supporters' whine on about TWP having no away fans, what actually happens is that the Toronto name creates curiosity, thus locals who aren't regulars will often turn up to watch their team against Toronto, so in essence Toronto are actually helping many clubs lift their home attendances!

I'm curious why you have the Canada flag yet you bag the largest city in Canada? Sure you could change it to the Afghanistan flag? South African flag? Gaza flag?

Toronto certainly puts grim cities like Manchester, Leeds and definately Bratfud in the shade.

Listen to your own advice maybe??

It does indeed, but not a patch on the truly great cities you would spend a lot of money to experience. Even in Canada I would put Vancouver, Montreal, Quebec City and even Halifax ahead in terms of better places for tourists...

Toronto and Canada generally is a great place to live,mind.

I believe the announced attendance was under 2000.

Quote ="RLRealist"More positive news to pi$$ off the flat earthers flat cappers... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... are_btn_fb'" A win is a win and they have their first 2 points in The Qualifiers but, this victory was against Halifax, ranked 8th for 8. Dont put out the ticker tape just yet. They have to beat all 3 Championship sides and possibly 2 SL sides to gain promotion but, I'm sure that you know that. Typical dreamer, clinging to each morsel of good news as though it's the last life belt from the Titanic. HOLD TIGHT

Quote ="RLRealist"More positive news to pi$$ off the flat earthers flat cappers... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... are_btn_fb'" A win is a win and they have their first 2 points in The Qualifiers but, this victory was against Halifax, ranked 8th for 8. Dont put out the ticker tape just yet. They have to beat all 3 Championship sides and possibly 2 SL sides to gain promotion but, I'm sure that you know that. Typical dreamer, clinging to each morsel of good news as though it's the last life belt from the Titanic. HOLD TIGHT

There is no denying that from absolutely nothing and in a country not familiar with the sport, they have done exceptionally well, no doubt whatsoever.
However, along with all the good news, they have felt it necessary to significantly inflate the actual level of interest in their games. Now, this may well be deliberate, in order to generate further interest. However, it could also be for slightly more sinister reasons, maybe to show that they are ready for SL of to stop investors getting cold feet ?

Remember, everything has been going well and any business can cope with success, they are yet to suffer any kind of setback either on the field or off it and this is usually when questions are asked.

They may well gain promotion and good luck to them if they do, I will enjoy the trip over there.
However, just as Noble has complained about cost and logistics, I still dont see how this venture is practical, either in the short, medium or long term.

The flatcappers won’t like this comment, they think Toronto should be made to alternate between home and away every week with as many 4 day turnarounds as possible.

What it should be is well planned, thought through and agreed by the governing body, in advance.
The current spat between Noble (TWP) and The RFL should never have been possible.
All parties knew that TWP would be challenging at the top of the Championship and therefore, likey be involved in the play offs, it really shouldn't be that difficult to have the format laid out in advance, should it ? a poor effort on both sides.

Distance makes you feel tired but it is crossing timezones that foo bars your body clock. Sydney to NZ is 2 hours (equivalent to London to Athens), Toronto to London is 5 hours. Big difference. (P.S. I’ve done a fair bit of long haul and, e.g. the 7 hour five sector trip to Chicago had a worse effect than the 11 hour one sector trip to Johannesburg)

Well, we're certainly missing Bradford in terms of attendances. This may not exactly mean that we 'need' them, but finances would be boosted if they were in SL with a competitive side.

This cant be true as away fans are no longer deemed important, hence the clamour to include TWP in SL

Actually London to Athens is almost twice the time that you quote.

100% spot on. Argyle wanted to play with our ball and as such, our rules.
£300,000? so flipping what......he's minted isn't he?
Next year it should be 3 away games, followed by 2 home then alternate weeks after that.......if they don't like it, then they can feck off!


Away fans don't make a major fiscal contribution to the turnover of a SL club. This is a mathematical fact, not an opinion......an opinion would be that away fans create a better atmosphere, which may in some cases be true.....I am really looking forward to Trailfinders this week for the visit of Leeds......it should be a cracking atmosphere, but the extra £20,000 on the gate matters little to David Hughes.
Toronto replacing Widnes will cost SL clubs about an average of £8,000 each next year.......if they replace Salford it'll be about £5,000 each.....

The comment was tongue in cheek concerning SL "needing" a resurgent Bradford side, who will themselves very likely be challenging in the top 4 of The Championship next season.

Btw, I think that you may have done the away fans calculation to death, it's like having the wife going on and on about something you already know.

Quote ="bramleyrhino"You just need to look at how they package the whole gameday experience. Take a look at their social media channels and see just how they build their home games into an event that people want to be at. Whether that's with the beer tents, the after-parties, the way they engage with venues around the city to create a buzz. It's all there. And that isn't just me looking at it through the lens of online - it's coming first hand from people who have been there. As for the media profile, they have a weekly slot on one of the major sports talk radio stations and there has been more written about Toronto in the media than all of the Championship clubs, and most SL clubs combined. They're a positive story, and RL sorely needs positive stories right now. Tell me, how many RL clubs were the focus of [url=https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/11/toronto-wolfpack-super-league-qualifiersa column in The Guardian this week[/url? On Saturday, there will be three games back-to-back on Sky Sports. That wouldn't be happening without expansion clubs. Seriously, what more do you want them "to bring"? If we were talking about a heartland club here, people would be waxing lyrical about how all clubs should be doing this. But because there's a body of water between them and their nearest club, they're a threat to certain clubs and so nothing that they achieve will ever be enough in the eyes of many on here.'" So they've reached the equivalent interest of the same broadsheet as Batley and Dewsbury did a few weeks ago https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... ocal-derby

Quote ="bramleyrhino"You just need to look at how they package the whole gameday experience. Take a look at their social media channels and see just how they build their home games into an event that people want to be at. Whether that's with the beer tents, the after-parties, the way they engage with venues around the city to create a buzz. It's all there. And that isn't just me looking at it through the lens of online - it's coming first hand from people who have been there. As for the media profile, they have a weekly slot on one of the major sports talk radio stations and there has been more written about Toronto in the media than all of the Championship clubs, and most SL clubs combined. They're a positive story, and RL sorely needs positive stories right now. Tell me, how many RL clubs were the focus of [url=https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/11/toronto-wolfpack-super-league-qualifiersa column in The Guardian this week[/url? On Saturday, there will be three games back-to-back on Sky Sports. That wouldn't be happening without expansion clubs. Seriously, what more do you want them "to bring"? If we were talking about a heartland club here, people would be waxing lyrical about how all clubs should be doing this. But because there's a body of water between them and their nearest club, they're a threat to certain clubs and so nothing that they achieve will ever be enough in the eyes of many on here.'" So they've reached the equivalent interest of the same broadsheet as Batley and Dewsbury did a few weeks ago https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/ ... ocal-derby

That would be the better compromise but to offer them blocks of 4-6 games on a home/away basis is just not acceptable in a sport at top tier level, they might have done it at championship level but to mess up scheduling at super league level to accommodate one team is not on.

One of the biggest problems would be the semi final and final of the challenge cup, if teams still in that comp have to travel to Toronto in between those two games its going to mess up pre and post preparations and be a big disadvantage.

As for incurring extra costs, thats the individual clubs problem and shouldn't be a factor for consideration by the RFL.

This could be one of, if not the, main factors in deciding who gains promotion and it may count in Toronto's favour or, heavily against them.
It seems a crazy system when the travel itself could be the issue that decides who gains promotion to or is relegated from SL, especially for Tronoto, who will be clocking up air miles for fun.
Getting the preparation right for any "final" is critical and where the MPG is played together with where the teams involved have played in the previous week could be THE defining factor in deciding which club is promoted.

It's true, they aren't. Any sport or club who relies on away support in their business model is doing it very wrong.

Another thing, Halifax fiddling their numbers? Offical crowd, 1774 yet the video feed showed about 3000....I'm sure IR will be keeping an eye out..

What about other wealthy owners like Hughes and Koukash?? <SEE OTHER SPLIT THREAD> Marwan Koukash was 'known' to be a multi-billionaire yet failed to lift Salford to a regular top 8 outfit. Koukah also has a string of failed businesses too.
Argyle on the other is a successful 'real' billionaire, so I'm sure Toronto are in safe hands.

You post a numbered list of whinges culled from "someone who knows Paul Anderson", a Leigh coach who is known to be rabidly anti-Toronto.

I post a somewhat light-hearted rebuttal, given that most of the away players that I've seen on sm and met in the beer garden all seem to be enjoying themselves.

You then recommend that I shut it because ... you aren't prepared to consider that Paul Anderson's mate might just confirming your own preset prejudices?