Any well run club is a plus for RL, its just a shame we dont have very many at all, least of all the Bradford Bulls, they only operate ' well ' when they are winning everything, but unfortunatley not everybody can win, so what happens then? ,basically they are stuffed, tough, live with it and start again

And for how long were they actually run well?

They copied ideas from Keighley and had no plan B for when the gloss wore off. They were in decline under Caisley.

The guy who ran the marketing department of an American football team totally got all his ideas from Keighley. Banging that drum twenty years on is absolutely the right point to be making.

That's not the point, everyone knows where keighley got their ideas from. Nothing new to sport, but new in the most part for flat cap rugby league.

The point is, you were not well run beyond the initial enthusiasm and had no plan B to sustain "ahem" bull mania.

I'm "banging that drum" because it's relevant to the original post I quoted, as annoying as it may seem to you

But they are no longer "pedigree", they are now "mongrel" so the kennel club are kicking them out. What would you have done? Guaranteed their place for life?

As to your view on life outside SL, we are true supporters who love our RL and support our team through thick and thin. Maybe you're one of the new generation of glory supporters like the one I spoke to at Leeds who, when I put the hypothetical question to him "If Leeds went out of business tomorrow what would you do?", instantly replied "support someone else" as if it was of no consequence whatsoever that his team had just disappeared.

And yet it's the point you went out of your way to make.

That Bulls copied someone else's ideas without a plan b is significant to the post, where keighley got them from is not.

the clubs would likely stop them.

You know earlier on, before the Bulls were deducted points, and I argued here that to punish new owners for the actions of the old ones was idiotic, and the only reason we saw support for it was because of bitter people jealous of the bulls success needing to see someone, anyone pay a price for that success. That they wanted to see Bradford brought down in a pique of tall poppy syndrome, that they were simply after retribution against Bradford for having the gall to be successful and people said no no RL fans arent like that....................

its been an infinite amount of years since anyone outside SL were near to were Bradford were.

Bradford Pedigree????

The recorded ancestry or lineage of a person or family:

The ancestry of the current Bulls goes back less than a year. As FA and AB have told us all there is no such thing as a club, just the current business.

Bradford Northern/Bulls have very little in the way of Pedigree or history, that does not end up in insolvency.

The arrogance of some to dismiss other clubs outside of SL is astounding. Bradford itself is becoming more and more a feeder/satellite town for Leeds.

Other much smaller towns such as St Helens, Wigan, Warrington, Widnes have long pedigrees in the game and have had their ups and downs. But at least they don't whine about having some right to be in SL.

If I've told you once I've told you a million times - Don't exaggerate!

I must have dreamed Huddersfield finishing top last year. Or Hull winning the challenge cup etc etc.

Is your money worth more than that guys money? Does your pound pay for more players, youth development officers or facilities than his pound?

You may want to define yourself as a 'true supporter' you may wish to differentiate yourself from the 'glory supporter' and 'the new generation' But the bank manager doesn't give a fsk.

You keep thinking you are better than other fans, keep thinking the club wants your money more than the other guys, keep wearing your 'true supporter' cap. It marks you out to the rest of us as 'one of those'.

There is so much wrong with than comparison i dont even know where to start.

Warrington havent, Neither have Leeds.

No. My money isn't worth more than his. The difference is though that I will still be going to watch my team through the bad times as well as the good. Where are all Bradford's "Bullmania" fans now. Those who are still with them are the true supporters who are willing to pay the market rate as opposed to those who were only interested when they could get a season ticket for £50.

One thing that might come up in a high court is if the RFL have unfair terms & conditions relating to the rules of the sport.
Whether that be how punishments are meted out or even any regulations regarding exclusion from the sport altogether.
IF Bradford are relegated and it subsequently IS found to be unjust (as opposed to just playing e and not getting enough points anyway) a high court may well say that any rule with regard to a club not being allowed to seek compensation due to unfair conditions and/or negligence on the part of the RFL isn't enforceable.

But by being a member club they are surely deemed to have accepted those conditions and as such can't start complaining when the said rules are applied to them.

You mean rules that are basically forced upon you or you get the option of leaving..that hardly seems fair does it. Bringing rules about that actually force your hand are not ALWAYS fair/just or even legal.
In many walks of life there are unfair conditions/terms applied that people accept but it doesn't make it right, it should never ever mean that just because you 'accepted' them that they are legally enforceable.
For all clubs it's a case of follow the rules we put in place or you no longer have a place in RL, it's similar everywhere, tenancy agreements, employer T&Cs, many sporting organisations have being found to be running rules that were legally unenforceable but member clubs 'accepted' them until the time came that it seemed it was time to stand up and say, actually no this is wrong.
I think that IF Bradford have found some terms to be unfair for the deduction of points/punishments or their application of such, inclusion of a club in the competition (as per the rule stated previously) or any other aspect relating to this affair then the RFL could be over a barrel and the game as a whole blown wide apart.
It's the RFL's inability to make the rules watertight both in respect to being black & white (points punishments for one) and legally binding that will bring the game down IMO.

Well I suppose that proves there's a first time for everything.

Where are all Bradfords "bullmania" fans? Well they are there and happy to support a decent team. In fact there are more Bradford fans now, than there are Halifax supporters. There are even more fans attending at Bradford now than attended fax in SL.

Those fans are still there, have proven they are still there and proven they would come back if only the club were given the time and space to grow again.

I would professional opinion carries the most weight here. Not that it will matter because Bradford won't finish within 6 of us! www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... l/?ref=rss Quote "While the Bulls and their fans might be hopeful that the penalty will be overturned, the reality is that courts are generally extremely reluctant to interfere in the decision-making of sports governing bodies. "Generally, as long as a sport's regulator acts in accordance with its own rules and regulations, then a court is unlikely to interfere, usually taking the view that the specialist body is in a much stronger position to make an appropriate decision based on its expert knowledge of the sport. "A court might, in extreme circumstances, rule that a penalty imposed is excessive or disproportionate. "But in previous cases there has always been a wide discretion afforded to the sports governing body in making that decision.'"

I would professional opinion carries the most weight here. Not that it will matter because Bradford won't finish within 6 of us! www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... l/?ref=rss Quote "While the Bulls and their fans might be hopeful that the penalty will be overturned, the reality is that courts are generally extremely reluctant to interfere in the decision-making of sports governing bodies. "Generally, as long as a sport's regulator acts in accordance with its own rules and regulations, then a court is unlikely to interfere, usually taking the view that the specialist body is in a much stronger position to make an appropriate decision based on its expert knowledge of the sport. "A court might, in extreme circumstances, rule that a penalty imposed is excessive or disproportionate. "But in previous cases there has always been a wide discretion afforded to the sports governing body in making that decision.'"

I was at thrum hall in the 80's when your and mine clubs were two of the best in the world, I was also there in the 90's when were playing in front of 500 people. Hardly a blow in! Had lots of fun with fans at barrow, fax, feath etc during our time in div 2&3 but wouldn't want to be back there.

Well it is arguable if it is a good idea to kick out a club who have the evidenced potential to deliver major pluses for your business, especially when there is no one to replace them who could offer more. South Sydney are a great example, terrible run club, kicked out, managed to argue there way back in, now the second biggest club in the NRL.

Of course it's previous owners of the bulls poor management that has got them in this situation but I simply don't understand punishing a club that is on its knees financially by financially hitting them harder. No business in the world would do something that stupid.