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| Quote ="fevfan76"Great decision to go with 2x12 - 3x8
Exciting times for Rugby league'"
In what way exciting. The same 8 teams been apart d SL every year. The top 8 teams playing each other in SL1
= bigger attendances = larger revenue = bugger wages.
Bottom 4 of SL full time professional clubs then destroy part time clubs such as Halifax/Fev/Sheffield who operate on a fraction of the salary and are part time.
The top 4 of the middle tier then easily win promotion, but have taken a financial hit having to play games in front of 2k crowds at the championship grounds while still trying to operate a full time club. They then have to compete against teams who played in front of 5 crowds for half the previous season.
I can't wait!!!
7-6 vote, a major restructure and the clubs are against it. Brilliant...
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Given that several clubs reliant on RFL advances voted for the 3x8 model and these clubs are odds on to be relegated in 2014 we could then move to a SL with 6 against and 5 for the new arrangement.'"
They shouldn’t have made such a big change on such a slim majority.
If ever you wanted to set up a system to fail, you would do it by rushing it through with a decent level of opposition.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You know how people moaned and moaned and moaned that RL wasn’t exciting before when the team in 5th could win it. They argued it made the rest of the league ‘pointless’ we were told, 27 friendlies apparently.
Im looking forward to seeing what they have to say when the team that finished 9th gets relegated to the championship despite earning more points throughout the 29 game season than at least 3 other sides. That will be a funny one.'"
Good point. Actually in shock this has been passed.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You know how people moaned and moaned and moaned that RL wasn’t exciting before when the team in 5th could win it. They argued it made the rest of the league ‘pointless’ we were told, 27 friendlies apparently.
Im looking forward to seeing what they have to say when the team that finished 9th gets relegated to the championship despite earning more points throughout the 29 game season than at least 3 other sides. That will be a funny one.'"
Well if they're that good they will have no problem retaining their place in Sl the next season will they. If they fail to come in the top 4 of a league containing the 3 lower places SL teams and 4 championship teams then they cant really have any complaints can they.
and at least if they do retain their place the fans of that team will have seen them win a few more games and a bit of excitment they wouldn't normally get for a team finishing 9th
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| Terrible decision. especially for a Widnes fan, Wakefield, Castleford etc. We are never going to advance. If we survive the cut this year I'm definitely not getting a season ticket next year knowing we will odds on be playing Leigh , Sheffield and Fev for the latter stages. Ridiculous
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| Quote ="mat"Top eight playoff isn't as it is now. Top eight play each other once, with points from first 23 games carried over too. At end of that series of games 1st plays 4th, 2nd v 3rd with winners of those games playing in grand final.'"
I meant its just a variation of a playoff system. Its better as it makes it even harder to win SL from 5 - 8. The emphasis will be on getting safely in the top 4, meaning all league games will have more value
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| Quote ="dubairl"I never bothered to read the details of how it is going to work'"
Stupid people generally don't try to read or understand anything.
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| Quote ="fevfan76"Well if they're that good they will have no problem retaining their place in Sl the next season will they. If they come fail to come in the top 4 of a league containing the 3 lower places SL teams and 4 championship teams then they cant really have any complaints can they.
and at least if they do retain their place the fans of that team will have seen them win a few more games and a bit of excitment they wouldn't normally get for a team finishing 9th'"
I think Bull Mania scenario is hell of a lot more realistic than your scenario. I get that you excited because for the first time in 6 years you have a genuine chance of playing to flight rugby but this system is a stupid way of doing it.
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| Quote ="fevfan76"Well if they're that good they will have no problem retaining their place in Sl the next season will they. If they come fail to come in the top 4 of a league containing the 3 lower places SL teams and 4 championship teams then they cant really have any complaints can they.
and at least if they do retain their place the fans of that team will have seen them win a few more games and a bit of excitment they wouldn't normally get for a team finishing 9th'"
Theres not much excitement in the first 22 rounds, if your entire season is designed to be decided entirely by the last 7. And yes, they could have plenty of complaints, they could have earned more points throughout the season than teams which weren’t relegated. The team the does get promoted doesn’t necessarily even need to be the promoted team with the most points.
The team who finished 9th could have been in 8th with two rounds to go, suffer a massive injury list and end up relegated.
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| Quote ="Viva La Vikings!!"Terrible decision. especially for a Widnes fan, Wakefield, Castleford etc. We are never going to advance. If we survive the cut this year I'm definitely not getting a season ticket next year knowing we will odds on be playing Leigh , Sheffield and Fev for the latter stages. Ridiculous'"
The regular season will be 22 games instead of 26 (plus magic) as now. That is what the season ticket will cover. Why are people finding this so hard to understand??
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"The regular season will be 22 games instead of 26 (plus magic) as now. That is what the season ticket will cover. Why are people finding this so hard to understand??'"
why would you buy a season ticket to cover 22 games, when whether you are promoted or not depends on an entirely seperate 7 game competition, where the results from the 22 games you are trying to sell are entirely nullified?
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| Quote ="William Eve"Stupid people generally don't try to read or understand anything.'"
I would expect a comment like that from a sad lonely person who trolls forum website.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"why would you buy a season ticket to cover 22 games, when whether you are promoted or not depends on an entirely seperate 7 game competition, where the results from the 22 games you are trying to sell are entirely nullified?'"
Getting promoted or relegated will be like the football playoffs, but the league is still important!
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| Stunned at this decision, a decision which I feel will decimate season ticket sales which are the lifeblood of most clubs (including our own)
who is going to want to pay for a season pass when you don't know who you are playing when the league splits in 3?
You could pay expecting to see the likes of Saints, Wigan & Leeds, and end up playing Sheffield, Featherstone & Leigh. The majority of fans will keep their season pass money and pay on the day, and soon as a club hits a bit of poor form, or a game is on TV crowds will dip.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"why would you buy a season ticket to cover 22 games, when whether you are promoted or not depends on an entirely seperate 7 game competition, where the results from the 22 games you are trying to sell are entirely nullified?'"
spot on
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| Quote ="dubairl"I would expect a comment like that from a sad lonely person who trolls forum website.'"
You're the one claiming the new structure is too complicated and too stupid when you admitted that you'd not even bothered to read the details of said structure.
It's not complicated at all.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"
The team who finished 9th could have been in 8th with two rounds to go, suffer a massive injury list and end up relegated.'"
Just like a team getting a few injuries week before grand final and not winning it.
Leeds having injuries most season and getting everyone back for the playoffs and winning the GF
Thats rugby and most other sports, tough luck thats how it goes. All the time everyone can moan about injuries and use them as excuses.
The team that finishes 9th are not relegated are they. They are in a playoff to determined there SL status and like I said if they finish 9th they should e good enough to remain in SL.
They know the rules at start of season
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Getting promoted or relegated will be like the football playoffs, but the league is still important!'"
Well it wont will it, for the clubs outside the play-offs we have a 22 round competition that decides nothing.
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| Quote ="William Eve"You're the one claiming the new structure is too complicated and too stupid when you admitted that you'd not even bothered to read the details of said structure.
It's not complicated at all.'"
ok somebody has already explained it on a page before i used the wrong word i should have said its convoluted idea. now stop trolling me and find something better to do.
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| This could have a massive detrimental effect on season ticket on some clubs. Terrible decision IMO
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| I cannot understand why you will not be seeing your club playing the top teams: you will in the 23 games.
As for the arrogance of buying a season ticket to ensure you see your team beat Wigan, Warrington and Leeds in the play-offs ... not even we Red Devils go there
I don't like it but it does give some hope to Sheffield, Leigh etc.
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| Quote ="fevfan76"Just like a team getting a few injuries week before grand final and not winning it.
Leeds having injuries most season and getting everyone back for the playoffs and winning the GF
Thats rugby and most other sports, tough luck thats how it goes. All the time everyone can moan about injuries and use them as excuses.
The team that finishes 9th are not relegated are they. They are in a playoff to determined there SL status and like I said if they finish 9th they should e good enough to remain in SL.
They know the rules at start of season'"
Yes, so finishing 9th is absolutely pointless. There is literally no difference to finishing 9th as opposed to finishing 12th. There is no difference between scoring 20points and finishing 9th missing out on the play-offs on points difference, than scoring 0 points and finishing 12th.
And if a team finishing 9th should be comfortably good enough to stay in SL anyway, why are they playing in this 7 game play-off?
Win 4 of 7 of the 2nd part of the season absolutely nothing that happened in the previous 22 rounds matters.
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| Unanimous vote in favour of the 2x12, 3x8... allegedly.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Well it wont will it, for the clubs outside the play-offs we have a 22 round competition that decides nothing.'"
what complete and utter rubbish, what on earth are you going on about, thats a really really poor argument.
at the moment the clubs outside the playoffs have absolutely nothing to play for so whats different.
maybe in football supporters of teams like Aston Villa in the premier should just pack in supporting them, because they are in mid table, may as well just pack the team in whats the point in playing 38 dead games
no one knows the results of games before the season starts, they always should always be top 8. Like in alsports they are not dead games until they have ultimately failed to reach their goals
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| so does this come into effect in the 2015 season? Lets see if these championship clubs now just sign a lot of overseas players and if there crowds actually increase. They don't or not enough for the challenge cup.
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