So you agree , Crusaders are not good enough for SL , so fine , why all the outpouring of sympathy , other clubs have suffered the same fate , without this sympathy , it is a business

So because I am stating the truth that is a cheap shot ? , and I am jealous of what ? Supporting a club not good enough for SL ?

it isn't an attack on the crusaders club. its an attack on the system.The system has failed the crusaders club from the beginning, why cant you see that?.

Jealous because noone gives a toss about your club!!

Every fan tonight had a great attitude and no bitterness, because they know that they aren't at that level yet!!

You on the other hand!!........

Over 2400 people gave a toss about leigh rl on saturday.When your trapped in no mans land that aint bad.

You don't speak for anyone other than yourself, and you don't even do that well so shut up you tart.

There are plenty who would be sad to see starbug go. I've had many arguments with the man myself but he is far more realistic about the sport than you'll ever be.

So you don't give a toss about Leigh ? , why ? , are we any different to those Crusaders fans that went on the pitch today ? , what about Dewsbury , are they not worthy of your respect and concern ? Doncaster maybe ?

no mine was against you!

rather have crusaders back in 15-20 years if it meant green-eyed posters like you neve have the opportunity to see your club in SL again

Must be seen to support the battling new boys, but when it's clubs like leigh in the same position, you're just weak and struggling and you've had your chance and blown it. Strange attitude some have in this sport, true colours certainly come out about the level of community we really have quite quickly.

Exhibit A, Rugby League community spirit, such grace, such tact. You'd never see this level of support in another sport!

If they can reach the standard required , then fine , but they aren't anywhere near it now , so they're out

They never were, but then, suggesting that was taboo, and anyone doing it, written off as bitter. It's unfortunate that the whole thing has gone belly up because they were undercooked and thrown into the deep end before they'd learned to swim and here is the end result.

Jesus christ this thread is bitter.
I want every club to do well, I felt sorry for the 3k+ fans losing their team. We must keep something in N. Wales even if its a C1 club.
Not every town needs a SL club but the pathways have GOT to be there for players or the hard development work goes straight to Rugby Union.

Where ?

I agree.

The outpouring of sympathy is for the [ifans[/i. Not the club, and not the 'system'. I can only speak for myself but I'd be similarly sympathetic towards the [ifans[/i of any club in a similar position.

Ie , losing its place in SL , glad to see you've changed your attitude then

Is he sad for all those clubs who develop and build and still don't get in super league? Or just the ones who lose their super league place cos they are the only clubs whose existence he knows about?

I.e. on the verge of going out of existence. If Crusaders were just dropping down a league I doubt there'd be anything like as much emotion involved - well, apart from the self-satisfaction of a few I guess.

Problem is the RFL will probably be looking for another businessman to bring in and mess it all up again

Going back to the start of this thread, I will never forget the scenes at the end of the game yesterday. And the Hull fans were fantastic. Had me close to tears hearing them sing for Crusaders. Brilliant stuff.

That video is superb...Hull's fans have garnered a bad rep by RL standards but they tend to have their moments, mainly the Saints semi in 2005, where the team just butchered us. I'd of been there if I hadn't made the opposite journey to Hull KR.

And the usual lot just will not let it go...

Only a cynic would find 'realism' an enviable quality in sport.

Why should the RFL fund a championship 1 club? Why not a championship club? Why not a Super league club?
Which is exactly what they should be doing. The day we give up trying to expand the game is the day we give up on the game.

The money spent on Crusaders (through sky and through the RFL and WRL development work) was a much better use of our limited funds than giving it to the very small minority of northern clubs who have a massively inflated sense of their importance to the game.

Why not a SL club ? , why not indeed , I have suggested as much in the past , probably too late now , I doubt that the other SL owners would allow it now , the time to do that was 2 years ago

A Championship club ? , well possibly as long as we don't have a no relegation and huge parachute payment , we've already had that once with the Crusader name , the damage that would do to the other clubs support doesn't bare thinking about

A Championship 1 club is the most realistic and the one most likely to see them build , it all depends if the Crusader loyals are loyal enough to follow their club against low profile opposition