I agree entirely. Cheating is the lowest of the low I agree. But unfortunately it's in Wigan's nature to play that way.



Your points would have been valid had this been a normal borderline forward pass or even one at full speed. No one minds too much when mistakes are made in the heat of the moment. However it was one from a player moving across the field with little or no forward movement. The pass leaves the hands blatantly forward. The gleeful cries of hundreds of Wigan fans of "Oh my god, he's going to give it" tell it all. There was nothing remotely unclear about it, it was one of the most obvious decisions all day and none of the officials had the bottle to call on it.

'Alleged forward pass'? Alleged? It's like the other famous one this season at Leeds. Incidents which leave you scratching your head at just how they can be so incompetent as to miss these things.

I think if it isn't clearly back, it's forward. No flat passing. No Momentum. If it ain't back, it's forward.

the rules them selves are not in any doubt. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... rward_pass seems simple to me. the problem is the standards of officials.

the rules them selves are not in any doubt. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... rward_pass seems simple to me. the problem is the standards of officials.

The key part in the rules is the definition of forward.

"Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass."

This is what Stevo refers to as the momentum rule. It's simple GCSE physics. This is also the reason many forward passes are missed and why Refs and Linesmen are told to look at the hands rather than the flight of the ball. FWIW the pass for Charnleys try was forward, i'm just trying to explain why so many are missed.

ive heard the 'look at the hands' school of thought from several refs over the years. i fail to see how that helps really. if anything the 'momentum' rule is just as easy to judge as the ground relative interpretation a lot of people seem to think is the rule.
if they guy who catches the ball is in front of the guy passing it, its a forward pass. the result is the same. if the guy catching the ball is in front of the passer when he catches it, then the ball must have traveled forward relative to the passer. thats much easier than looking at the hands and trying to judge if it looks like a forward pass up till the point it leaves the passers hands. i dont understand where confusion arises.

That only works assuming the guy who passed the ball continues running at the same speed as when he passed it. If the bloke who passed it stops, is tackled or changes speed or direction then that theory would not work.

Why not just say if you can't see it go backward, then it's a forward pass, if it's flat, it's forward, if its marginal, it's forward.

Quote ="vikingsmurf"the rules them selves are not in any doubt. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... rward_pass seems simple to me. the problem is the standards of officials.'" well said - end of.

Quote ="vikingsmurf"the rules them selves are not in any doubt. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... rward_pass seems simple to me. the problem is the standards of officials.'" well said - end of.

Because it's not that simple. It never ceases to amaze me that so many RL fans don't understand the forward pass rule. There is no 'momentum rule', but the momentum of the players has a lot to do with why the ball might actually travel forwards relative to the ground, or a static object. The ball only has to travel backwards relative to the players.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s=#0000FFThis video explains it very well.[/url

Actually, that's a good video, thanks.

surely it does work? nowhere in the 'momentum' rule does it mention the relative velocities of other players being indicative of a forward pass.
regardless of how quickly a passer stops or changes direction after he has passed, if the guy catching the ball is in front of him then the ball must have traveled forward relative to the player who passed it.

Someone has just posted a video which explains it better then i can.

Simply if a player is running at 10mph and passes a ball flat, the ball will still have that momentum of 10mph on it and will therefore end up in front of where it was passed.

which according to the rules is a forward pass isnt it?

No it's not. As i said watch the video from a couple of posts back.

That’s a very informative and well presented video

Nowhere near a funny as when Stevo tries to explain it though!!

That’s a very good idea – and also, any player that makes a mistake that costs his team a try can have their contract cancelled too, that’ll teach ‘em

and the coach for not showing them the right way to pass , and the board of directors for appointing the coach

We wouldn't lose anything if that touch judge wasn't even there. Are you seriously saying he just made a misjudgement of the direction of the pass?

We wouldn’t lose anything if we didn’t have officials at games?... well we would lose our game of course (or are you only suggesting we strike the officials off when they get the decisions wrong against St Helens or is it after every wrong decision)

As for your other point – I would say that he made an error in judgement yes, why, what’s your explanation?

Watch it closely, some of the passes are thrown back and the most blatant, so called momentum passes are thrown forward as I see it. A pass thrown in front of the passers body is thrown forward surely? The one thrown above the players head does not go backwards either. Therefor a flat pass is a forward pass ,unless the rule has been changed since I played.

That he saw it and didn't have the bottle to stick his flag up. Touch judges do nothing in SL at the moment, especially if it's on Sky. They just leave it to the video ref rather than risk making a call themselves. You talk like it was a close one, it wasn't, it was horrendous. No one in the ground failed to see it bar those who should have done.

The officials in SL are terrible, there is simply no arguement against that.

On the contrary, I thought it was a blatant forward pass which should have been pulled up

The linesman should have spotted it and made a bad mistake (sorry, I don’t subscribe to the lack of bottle argument as that would require either one of us to know the guy and his character which we don’t)

I would even agree that the guy should well be dropped from the next round if Cummings et al decide that is appropriate

What I don’t agree with (and the reason for my first post on this thread) is your assessment than he should be struck off. People make mistakes and if you strike an official off the list for making a mistake, we would have no sport to watch

not read much of this post, but I completely agree this year the touch judges seem to be missing even more forward passes (thats saying something)

I wrote to boots n all, im going to write to the rfl too

The on field officials these days rely to heavily on VT. How many times have you heard can you just check if there was an obstruction/crossing etc. Im sorry but thats the Refs bloody job to see that. the VT has made refs sloppy and complacent that they can defer the decision and pass the buck. This i believe has resulted over the years to non tv games be affected by poor standards of officiating.

We either cut the Use of VT back to just grounding to award a score or we give VT the full powers to run the game and use the monkey in the middle as a mouth piece

Is this the virtual terrace, or the moan about Wigan forum?