dont say that,its fun watching him wriggle like maggot.

Should that not read “admit for once, that you're wrong” – a small but very significant difference

kicking an up and under was an australian RL invention in the 70's derived from a long american football pass, now I've heard eveything!

Fair enough, mea culpa.

No, they don't.

A running back is mostly a ball carrier and would only ever receive short passes.

What you describe as a "bomb" is generally called a Hail Mary pass (on the grounds that it is so unlikely to come off that a prayer beforehand is advisable) and would only ever be thrown to a Wide Receiver.

It is also quite a different play to a bomb kick since it isn't an attempt to pressure the wing / fullback (equivalent positions cornerback and safety in Gridiron), the expectation is that the receiver will be well away from any defensive players.

Gibson may have got the term "bomb" from American football but he certainly didn't get the idea from it.

Leave him alone...he's just a "Gridiron Troll" <s>

he took the name and the tactic and adapted it to RL. since we dont allow forward passes im guessing he thought a kick could replace the tactic.

makes gibson even smarter

the game of rugby was played before the RFU were around

union has no right to the game of rugby on its own, only an idiot would believe that

funnier that you deny your own history

have a look at the foundation date of your club Hull Fc. its well before the RFU were invented




there was one common game of rugby which both RL and RU originate from. in 1895 NU clubs split from the RFU and set up their own governing body. they played the same game as before.

stop it! You are looking more foolish by the post



You stated that you believed that the Bomb was an idea introduced to RL from Gridiron.....your stupid attempts to try to turn this into a which code came first debate/history lesson are laughable.

Rugby Football....became Rugby Union and Rugby League........The Eton Wall game predates Rugby Football and the high kick chased by players comes from that.
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the name of the game in 1895 was NORTHERN UNION.

not northern league. the rule changes we associate with RL didnt happen in 1895.

the game played by NU clubs was the same pre and post 1895 until 1907.

ie the game of rugby

wrong (you're up early by the way)

Rugby Football was the original game........Union and League are just the two of games that came from it. American Football is also a decendant of Rugby Football.

In the late 1800's, various rules were applied according to where you played the game (mostly English Public Schools).......the myth about WW Ellis aside, the rules that were adapted to unify the game into 1 universal code were drawn up at Rugby School.....hense it became Rugby Football as opposed to Association Football.

Prior to these rules, handling of the ball was allowed, but not funning towards the goal line of the other team.......at some stage, this became permitted and the split from Association Football was complete. The Ball shape comes from the old leather/pig skin that used to get out of shape from all the handling.

Dally....you are out of your depth here....please don't stop. I am enjoying this so much.


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I'm pretty sure I've seen people in other forms of football kicking it long in the hope that their big lad would beat the defender to the ball. Who'd have thought that Lombardi was so influential?

Just not true, Dally. For example, we dropped the lineout in 1897 and made many other changes in the years that followed - probably more in the first 10 years than in the 100 since. American football also ditched lineouts in the 1890s.

Also, the RFU was formed in 1871. They played international game against Scotland that year, too.

Back on topic; I found something under my dad's bed while cleaning out, it's from 97ish, but it's just a cutout, no idea who it's by.


Interesting article. Wonder if this would have worked.

And while we're at it, the term "Garryowen" used by ruggah types who can't bring themselves to say up'n'under or bomb comes from the Irish Rugby Union club of the same name - who made the tactic famous in the [i1920s[/i.

Those posh Irish types ripped off Gibson and used a time travel device to falsify history.

Interesting indeed.

Having two conferences would be a great way forward for the game down under. More expansion clubs and retaining the old fashioned Sydney rivalries sounds perfect.

The potential is there to expand the game as much as they would like. New Zealand rugby league would have huge potential benefits and PNG if they could find a way to bring professional rugby into their country.

The gap between Aus/Nz and GB is going to get wider

That system, implemented 97ish would have been perfect. Now, I don't know. Conferences are the way forward, but this system was based on old division.

Played there on more than one occassion...great Rugby Club. One of the urban myths is that ALL union clubs are packed with Posh Public Schoolboy types....I doubt any of the Munster lads I know would ever fall into the posh category

....more like culchie redneck gobs....

1906/7 was when the major changes were made, i think from memory dropping 2 players and bringing in the ptb.

have a look at when wigan, hull or huddersfield were formed, its all before 1871.

rugby pre dates the establishment of ru

interesting article.

rl1908.com./History/1906.htm major rule changes in 1906. so for 11 years it was basically the old rugby rl1908.com./History/northern-union.htm talks about the "new rugby" ie rugby league in 1906.

rl1908.com./History/1906.htm major rule changes in 1906. so for 11 years it was basically the old rugby rl1908.com./History/northern-union.htm talks about the "new rugby" ie rugby league in 1906.

rl1908.com./History/1895.htm talks of the history of the rugby game note rugby game is not rugby union all that happened in 1895 is that many northern rugby clubs elected to have a new governing body to control the sport rather than be run by the rfu thats all.

rl1908.com./History/1895.htm talks of the history of the rugby game note rugby game is not rugby union all that happened in 1895 is that many northern rugby clubs elected to have a new governing body to control the sport rather than be run by the rfu thats all.

The argument that you have just made here is that the game did not split in 1895 and that the NU continued playing the RFU's game. The logic then would be that pre 1895 the NU sides were playing RU and didn't start playing RL until rule reforms came in.

For rugby union to be different to rugby football, the RFU would have had to have changed their rules dramatically at the same time, which of course they did not do.

Personally I don't really care, it is splitting hairs either way.

its important for the history of RL.

RL clubs histories pre date 1895.

to say RL came from RU is basically giving everything over to the RFU.

other than a change in the governing bodies in 1895, little changed to the rugby game for the northern clubs.

over time the game of rugby league as we know it came about but in 1895 there werent any differences.

RU as a sport tries to claim too many things, and the history of the game is important

RL has as much right to the original rugby game as the RFU do.

anything less gives them more credibility than they deserve

when our clubs broke away they took their history with them