Exactly! Plus to add to over post on Swanse & Cardiff, these two hate each other through football & rugby sides so why would league necessairly benefit from that?

That's OK then, it will cost the RFL nowt.

It wouldn't be a suprise in all honesty and this is not just making things up straight forward. Come on how do you get skint RL club took over by skint Football club and the next minute hire one of the most high profile coaching staffs in the game and also manage to put a squad of fully O/S (more expensive) players that quickly?

I think we are being naive to think otherwise. How right it is or not makes no difference but it's not hard to see, Quins do ok then when RFL moves onto Wales suddently they need this mysterious 'task force' to return. Look to keep Cru in SL last year the RFL had to get stuck in and help them out financially simple as that, if they have set up re payments or whatever then fine but to say had no financial help is just daft as where did the money come from?

Thinking about it though it's just typical RFL stupidity again tbh. A club set's up in Wales they throw them into SL with an ownder with a history of doing over clubs and no real structure set up. That goes wrong so they fling them up north to Wrexham get a task force in to sign up Noble, Sharp, Harris and a shed loads of Aussies who will be on good wack and then the nest minute are suddenly suprised that they can' actually pay these players and oh look... the debt left from the 'first crusade' hasn't actually dissapeared.

Two years in a row this is now and if doesn't go well we could lose RL in Wales forever... WHY? Because the RFL rushed it all through at chance one!

Nothing like London 5 years ago.......London "bailed themselves out" on the advice/instruction of the IR/HMR&C. The bill wasn't paid, even though we offered to pay it in installments.....the company wound up and the SL Chairmen voted to let the new company in and for the Broncos to keep their points.......some chairmen weren't happy, some abstained, but the club got the votes required.......Ian Lenegan was announced as a new Majority stake holder and the move to TW2 was announced.

The RFL were in no way lienient with the club, in no way gave us any special dispensation and ensured we broke no rules......unlike your club.....or specifically the owner of your club who has facilitated your recent success....whilst holding on to shares he was told to relinquish...in direct breach of RFL regulations.
If you want to discuss other incidents of your club bending/breaking rules that were in place at the time....please continue to spout unsubstantiated drivel....your clubs SL history is filled with incidents such as salary cap breaches...note the plural

Neither allegation or rumour, FACT!

' Death riding ' eh ? , so its all my fault ?

I like many others tried to tell you the Bridgend experiment was a joke , so what do they do ? , attempt to do exactly the same thing that they did at Gateshead a decade earlier , and when it all ends the same , that will be my fault

Grow up

It really does make me laugh , the RFL keep telling us all to take our time , build up slowly , it's all about long term planning , get the off field right

Then they jump in with both feet , trying to rush new clubs up to levels that are never going to be sustainable

They cant even follow their own advice , when the Crusaders fold I will not be happy , especially if it results in the Skorpions going the same way , but dont expect me not to say " I told you so "

IIRC when the move to Wrexham was announced the RFL stated that the old club had already had this seasons SL money advanced to them. If that was the case and the new club were operating without that income then I'm surprised it took this long before the cash ran out.

Where is all the ACTUAL evidence to prove these allegations/rumours etc?

A lot of this, to me, is supposition or people on a hope and pray it's right thought train.

Anyway I would STILL rather have the Crusaders in SL because they bring something to the game rather than the former bankrupt club of Widnes who bring NOTHING new!!

Would anyone be suprised if that happened? It would mean that the RFL could avoid all the hassle of the next franchise round!

On the HMrC site muppet! No Widnes bring nothing new just home grown players, paying crowds and actually put money INTO RL rather than just taking it out!

I think he meant about Nobby being paid by the RFL. Home grown players J20? Time will tell eh. Curious as to why SOC would waste money sending Cullen to Australia now when the decision is only going to be made in 5 months time, after all you haven't been told you are in yet...have you

Really! So why have HMRC and the RFL agreed that Leeds be used as a test case? That case is still on going. It is ongoing with respect to calculating the amount and the period of repayment. This case is also within the context of other sporting clubs, particularly football.

While there is little argument that wakey have showed a strong preference for overseas players -and still appear to do so

- they have been journeymen rather than the elite players who tend to have image rights deals. For example players like Winterstein and Leanno would not be prime candidates for such payments. Though someone like Tronc may possibly expect payments to such accounts.

For anyone requiring, clarity, proof, or evidence... Quote Limited Company Search Results - 1 results =#FF0000Company Name Number Address Post Code Accounts =#FF0000 Status =#FF0000CELTIC CRUSADERS LIMITED 05991284 TONDU ROAD, BRIDGEND, CF314JE CF314JE 30/11/2008 =#FF0000Winding Up Petition(s) Company Name: CELTIC CRUSADERS LIMITED Company Number 05991284 Registered Address: THE RACECOURSE MOLD ROAD WREXHAM LL11 2AH Trading Address: Brocastle Avenue Waterton Industrial Estate Bridgend CF31 3XR Credit Rating & Limit: Todays Rating [1-100 =#FF0000Not Rated - Winding Up Petition(s) Key Financials: Year to Date - 30/11/2008 Turnover - Pre Tax Profit - =#FF0000Shareholder Funds -£976,734 Employees - Last 3 Years Credit Rating/Limit =#FF0000Date 31/12/2009 Rating Limit - Not Rated - =#FF0000Financial Statements too old CCJ =#FF0000*Total Number of Exact CCJs - 14 Total Value of Exact CCJs - £44,154 Total Number of Possible CCJs - 3 Total Value of Possible CCJs - £2,984 Total Number of Satisfied CCJs - 6 Total Value of Satisfied CCJs - £16,682 Total Number of Writs - 0 Event History Date Description =#FF000019/10/2010 Mr M.J. Turner has left the board View Document =#FF000012/07/2010 New Board Member Mr P.G. Retout appointed View Document 08/02/2010 Change in Reg.Office View Document 08/02/2010 Change of Company Postcode View Document 08/02/2010 New Company Secretary Mr P. Retout appointed View Document =#FF000008/02/2010 New Board Member Mr P. Retout appointed View Document 08/02/2010 New Board Member Mr M.J. Turner appointed View Document 21/01/2010 New Accounts Filed View Document 19/01/2010 DG NOMINEES LIMITED has resigned as company secretary View Document 19/01/2010 Mr L. Samuel has left the board View Document 13/02/2009 Mr D.N. Tompson has left the board View Document Total Current Directors 1 Total Current Secretaries 1 Total Previous Directors / Company Secretaries 6 Current Directors Name Paul Gerard Retout Current Company Secretary Name Paul Retout '" Source www.creditsafeuk.com

For anyone requiring, clarity, proof, or evidence... Quote Limited Company Search Results - 1 results =#FF0000Company Name Number Address Post Code Accounts =#FF0000 Status =#FF0000CELTIC CRUSADERS LIMITED 05991284 TONDU ROAD, BRIDGEND, CF314JE CF314JE 30/11/2008 =#FF0000Winding Up Petition(s) Company Name: CELTIC CRUSADERS LIMITED Company Number 05991284 Registered Address: THE RACECOURSE MOLD ROAD WREXHAM LL11 2AH Trading Address: Brocastle Avenue Waterton Industrial Estate Bridgend CF31 3XR Credit Rating & Limit: Todays Rating [1-100 =#FF0000Not Rated - Winding Up Petition(s) Key Financials: Year to Date - 30/11/2008 Turnover - Pre Tax Profit - =#FF0000Shareholder Funds -£976,734 Employees - Last 3 Years Credit Rating/Limit =#FF0000Date 31/12/2009 Rating Limit - Not Rated - =#FF0000Financial Statements too old CCJ =#FF0000*Total Number of Exact CCJs - 14 Total Value of Exact CCJs - £44,154 Total Number of Possible CCJs - 3 Total Value of Possible CCJs - £2,984 Total Number of Satisfied CCJs - 6 Total Value of Satisfied CCJs - £16,682 Total Number of Writs - 0 Event History Date Description =#FF000019/10/2010 Mr M.J. Turner has left the board View Document =#FF000012/07/2010 New Board Member Mr P.G. Retout appointed View Document 08/02/2010 Change in Reg.Office View Document 08/02/2010 Change of Company Postcode View Document 08/02/2010 New Company Secretary Mr P. Retout appointed View Document =#FF000008/02/2010 New Board Member Mr P. Retout appointed View Document 08/02/2010 New Board Member Mr M.J. Turner appointed View Document 21/01/2010 New Accounts Filed View Document 19/01/2010 DG NOMINEES LIMITED has resigned as company secretary View Document 19/01/2010 Mr L. Samuel has left the board View Document 13/02/2009 Mr D.N. Tompson has left the board View Document Total Current Directors 1 Total Current Secretaries 1 Total Previous Directors / Company Secretaries 6 Current Directors Name Paul Gerard Retout Current Company Secretary Name Paul Retout '" Source www.creditsafeuk.com

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Well done

Hook line sinker rod & arm

Easy reply when you haven't got anything back to say. On other issues clearly no proof but pre season starts for most around now yet Cru made no announcemnets on coaching set up changes definate and also why would a paper make up people not being paid unless they had a link from somewhere.

Failure to prepare is preparing to fail

Of course J20. You have to admit this is the worst kept secret since Celtic Crusaders for SL.

Potentially... Just read that Ray French has met with Cullen in Auis and he's in good spirits and doing a good bit of ground work for our potential SL return, which is great and the best way to use the off season. Plus PC could certainly use the break!

While they probably had a source for the rumour you should not automatically believe everything a paper publishes. They exist to maximise their distribution figures, so there is a tendency to publish "scandals" even when they can't fully authenticate the facts.

I do agree with that entirely but usually for something so direct their is smoke... though that could just be the HMRC hearing and putting two & two together. However with Crusaders in the past most of the paper nonsense has become a reality unfortunately for them.

Your very wordy today J20, for example there was no need to use the word potential



Back on topic, if Crusaders don't sort out this winding up petition, they will likely take the football club down with them too

Why?

Does not follow at all.

What is more worrying is today's [url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/10/11/02/RUGBYL_Crusaders.html=#800000report[/url that pension contributions - going back a fair way -have seemingly not been paid over. If that should prove to be true, you are talking serious criminal offences here.

AFAIK, The RFL’s advice to the clubs regarding back payment of image rights was to hold fire until Leeds challenge against HMRC, funded by the RFL, in limiting the percentage owed in back payments was resolved.

Unfortunately the case officer for Wakefield’s wasn’t willing to wait until the issued had been collectively resolved and wanted the tax liabilities from Trinity.

Why doesn't it follow? Both the Rugby and Football come under the same company don't they?