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| Quote ="tiger2000"I don't think that crest has ever been used on our shirts, IIRC it was created for the clubs centenary in 1983 and has been used periodically since on various merchandise.'"
No, I just prefer it. Our current one is too similar to Hulls for my liking. Hull also have an alternate crest that was used during the 90's iirc
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| Quote ="RL13"Nice one! I did search on google/google scholar but couldn't find it. Is it on Jstor? Could you provide a link? Cheers.'"
It's called "The Psychological Continuum Model: A Conceptual Framework for Understanding an Individual's Psychological Connection to Sport"
The journal I think you have to pay for upon looking for it (I didn't have to when I was at uni so didn't think about that, sorry!).
However, if you type Psychological Continuum Model into Wikipedia, it gives you the main points.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark" And have you ever heard of the Bulls, whose appeal to thousands of kids is what started the original and much copied Bullmania, with its face painters, bouncy castles, Bullman and Bullboy etc etc. and packed the ground with legions of kids? '"
Is this the same "Original" Bullmania which was a blatent copy of Cougarmania? Which began in 1992 when Br*dford were still known as Northern?
Bouncy Castles, Face Painters, the mascot Freddie Cougar, we were doing it years before anyone else in Rugby League.
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"I don't see how folk can say Rhinos and Bulls work better than Wildcats. The fans might have chants associated with the nicknames, but they're God-awful chants and don't really indicate success as such. Wasn't the Bulls chant manufactured by the club, rather than created organically by the crowd? They're just horrible.
The main issue I have with these names is their lack of reference to the club, to history, to culture and to local wildlife. How many Rhinos have ever wandered through Beeston?? Wakefield has a rich history with its castle and reputed to be the birth place of Robin Hood, why do we have to name ourselves after a feline from Canada? These names might work in Oz and the US, but folk don't really take to them here. Here we don't suppport sporting brands in the same way, we support our local sporting community.
Having said that they can occassionally work well. Dewsbury Rams is my favourite modern name; you've got a modernised name, you've got something to market and it has an historic connection to the local area.'" Agreed, the only thing in favour of Rhinos and Bulls is the fact that they are bigger clubs. I think the majority of people in the country have probably heard of 'Leeds Rhinos' in some way even if they're not entirely sure who they are, so it has a little more identity than something like Wakefield Wildcats which nobody outside of RL has really heard of. I agree completely with your point about the lack of reference to the community or seemingly anything at all. Does anyone know how these names were originally chosen, and why there wasn't massive ridicule when they were adopted?
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| Quote ="headhunter" I agree completely with your point about the lack of reference to the community or seemingly anything at all. Does anyone know how these names were originally chosen, and why there wasn't massive ridicule when they were adopted?'"
Can't speak for a lot of the names but 'Leeds Rhinos' got their name after Rupert Murdoch visited the UK, went clubbing in Leeds and saw the state of the local chicks
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| Quote ="dixie"Blue Sox was easily the worst.'"
While it was terrible didn't a team adopt a Cowboys moniker?
And Wakefield Dreadnaughts is a seriously cool name/brand.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Can't speak for a lot of the names but 'Leeds Rhinos' got their name after Rupert Murdoch visited the UK, went clubbing in Leeds and saw the state of the local chicks
'" you could of chosen a picture without the name of the club in the top corner which proves you were wrong. It wouldnt have been difficult and abit funnier
Trolls, they just dont put the effort in these days
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| Quote ="barton baird"Dear boy,
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You'd prefer this one?
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| Quote ="Easty"You'd prefer this one?
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No, one that better signifies your club, its ethos and especially its chairman:
A big black cloud, with a load of fannies descending from it.
"A shower of c**ts"
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| Quote And have you ever heard of the Bulls, whose appeal to thousands of kids is what started the original and much copied Bullmania, with its face painters, bouncy castles, Bullman and Bullboy etc etc. and packed the ground with legions of kids?'"
which was stolen from keighley and "cougarmania" long before bullmania or bullboy and bouncy castles etc.
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| i tend to look at these new nicknames and how they are accepted in terms of fans and what they refer to their club as,for instance,although huddersfield fans most popular chant is the fartown one,in reference not to just the ground but the name by which everyone knew us by,a lot more people now refer to us as giants rather than fartown and this is recognised in the fans chants and songs. same with leeds and bradford who use bulls and rhinos a lot more in their chants compared to the likes of warrington,wigan,wakefield etc who i very rarely hear referred to by their own supporters as wolves/warriors/wildcats etc,indeed i dont think i've ever heard warrington or wakefield fans sing or chant about wolves or wildcats.
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| Daft nicknames are for speedway. Cas were always known as the Tigers beforehand and had the badge to boot, so why did it have to become their official name? Likewise, why can't Salford be nicknamed the Reds rather than having it as their official name? You don't hear of the Arsenal Gunners or Blackpool Seasiders etc, do you?
And, for what it's worth, Trinity p1sses all over Wildcats, with Dreadknoughts is an awesome alternative nickname (a nickname is exactly that, so why should clubs be restricted to just one?!)
I await accusations of being a flat capper.
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| What about my gateshull badge.
Class eh ?
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| as for emblems, im happy with ours as i dont think it's too tacky and has the words birthplace of rugby league on it which is of important historical reference,although i would like to see our old crest/coat of arms next to it.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"Daft nicknames are for speedway. Cas were always known as the Tigers beforehand and had the badge to boot, so why did it have to become their official name? Likewise, why can't Salford be nicknamed the Reds rather than having it as their official name? You don't hear of the Arsenal Gunners or Blackpool Seasiders etc, do you?
And, for what it's worth, Trinity p1sses all over Wildcats, with Dreadknoughts is an awesome alternative nickname (a nickname is exactly that, so why should clubs be restricted to just one?!)
I await accusations of being a flat capper.'" Why would anyone accuse you of being a flat capper on the basis of that post?
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| Quote ="Bombers Double Chin"What about my gateshull badge.
Class eh ?'"
Nearly as good as Hull KR CVA
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"In fact, if I remember rightly Trin' were nicknamed Dreadnaughts, not because of their fearlessness on the field, but because the team were mostly pit workers during WWII. They were christened that because if you're prepared to climb into a big black hole in the ground to dig while you leave your family at home where they might be bombed and you could potentially be trapped underground after a bomb strikes there must be very, very little that spooks you.
That to me is far more inspiring than a walking, furry pillow that wonders about by itself not really liking anything or anyone around it and has a face that looks like someones just farted!'"
You remember wrongly. The picture is from 1909.
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"Can't speak for a lot of the names but 'Leeds Rhinos' got their name after Rupert Murdoch visited the UK, went clubbing in Leeds and saw the state of the local chicks
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thank god that isnt on the hull cheerleaders thread
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| I thought so Slugger. Cheers for that. I think Dreadnaughts is a reference to the pits though.
That's a terrific picture! I also like the really old one with a banner in the background that says "Up t'Trin".
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| Quote ="headhunter"Agreed, the only thing in favour of Rhinos and Bulls is the fact that they are bigger clubs. I think the majority of people in the country have probably heard of 'Leeds Rhinos' in some way even if they're not entirely sure who they are, so it has a little more identity than something like Wakefield Wildcats which nobody outside of RL has really heard of. I agree completely with your point about the lack of reference to the community or seemingly anything at all. Does anyone know how these names were originally chosen, and why there wasn't massive ridicule when they were adopted?'"
I imagine marketing teams or club boards came up with them. I know Wakey got their's through a competition in the Wakefield Express. Fans were asked to send suggestions in and then, I think, the club picked one.
I think generally there was much ridicule of these names on the terraces, but the game was dramatically changing at a very quick rate. The code was sold to a TV station, Super League was forced on us and mergers were also nearly enforced. A lot of things had happened that fans couldn't control. The names were just another element of inevitable modernisation. There were also a lot of clubs struggling for money. It was difficult to argue against monikers when you had clubs like Bradford and Keighley making a success of it.
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| a dreadnought is a large battleship IIRC
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| Quote ="kentcat"a dreadnought is a large battleship IIRC'"
In 1906 a revolutionary type of new battleship was launched called HMS dreadnought, it was so advanced that other navies copied it and all these new battleships became known as dreadnoughts (with old ships refered to as pre dreadnoughts).
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| But at Bradford, there was a helluva lot of resistance to changing away from "Northern", it was just that there were also very many people who actually liked the "Bradford Bulls" identity too, and so I think it caught on because popular culture accepted it. Many of those against it then ahve come to accept it now and very few that I know of seem to truthfully want a return to "Northern".
I broadly agree the lists given of those that have caught on, and those that haven't. The reason I say ours is accepted in popular culture is that both we, and supporters of other teams, are just as likely to refer to us in conversation as "the Bulls" as they are to call us "Bratfud", and the same goes for the Rhinos.
Whereas the opposite is true for "Wildcats" (does [ianybody[/i use that, even in Wakey?).
I propose a "down the Club/Pub" test. At my local, someone wishing to know if I am attending the game is most likely to as me whether I'm "off to 't Bulls". Nobody will ever ask me if I am off to watch Bradford, or Bradford Bulls, or Northern, it is always 't Bulls".
I am led to believe that in Wakefield the word would be "Wakey", though I stand to be corrected. In Warrington I'm pretty sure it is "Wire" and never "Wolves". Again I don't claim to speak for the Wire fans though and would be interested to know.
Maybe the answer is whether the nickname does or does not catch on with the club's own fans first and foremost, as if it does, that will mean it is going to spread far and wide whereas if (like Wakey) even the fans never use the nickname then apart from kiddy marketing, it's a dead duck. And I'm not surprised if the Wildcats name came from a newspaper comp. What a way to pick an identity! I expect the "judges" had a precondition that it had to begin with a "W" and had to be some form of animal other than a Wolf, which pretty much fscked it right there. What other options? Weasels? Walruses or Whales must be out? Whippets - er no. Wombats? Not really. Wildebeest? Too far fetched. Worms? Nope.
As the name Wakefield effectively means "vigil field", being derived from the Old English "wacu" meaning vigil or wake, I reckon the Undertakers would have worked. An alternative translation for "wacu" is "festival" so maybe "Jokers".
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| With respect to alternatives to Wildcats, I vaguely recall Titans and Trojans were also in the running, both infinitely better options than the one the club ended up with.
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