Lol!

You sound like one of those bitters who loses sleep over footballs popularity. It must kill you mustn't it?

Agree with the guy who said that this is a "people" problem...not a code problem. Any sort of fighting at League is a football problem? What nonsense. Meanwhile the majority of football fans couldn't give two s**** about league, and now the bad elements are supposedly invading rugby league stadiums? Lol, okay...

Back to the drawing board for you

Seen it happen before at finals, CC and GF, and I've seen it on trips to Perpignan too - I posted something about it on southstander.com last week - its the "Fekkwit Alchoholic Working Mens Club Trip" effect, put a group of males together on a bus trip to somewhere and they will start drinking before they get on the bus, so thats 6am then - hardly surprising that by kick off time most of them don't give a fekk about the game or those seated around them.

I sat on the row behind such an outing at the 2005 CC final where twenty or thirty of them wouldn't sit down at all, it ended in a fight too because the stewards wouldn't take 80 minutes worth of complaints from other people on board.

And still we try and pretend that RL is a family sport - don't make me laugh.

I was there and saw two Wigan shirts involved.

good post. Alcohol is the root of the problem!

And you would you know because?

Football fan responds aggressively to a post about football fans being aggressive. Ah, the irony!

Yep and jealousy!

I don't see many issues down at Belle Vue these days with mixed terracing apart from when Wigan and Cas visit but personally speaking it's time all grounds had away ends.

It's actually a bit of a joke that rugby league is called a family sport. Some of the language used in some of the songs is outrageous. Yet we want kids to be at the game?

It must happen up north too, but when we had teams visit wales all we hear all match is (sheep shaggers and general abuse towards the welsh.) I know when hull fc came to south wales last year, all their songs were aimed at Hull KR, which i couldn't really understand. Not to mention the trouble that was caused.

Rugby league is going the way of football. It's terribly sad. They should stop with this crap about putting fans in a section of their own, and mix in with the opposition teams. It would stop the idiots that are banned from their home grounds getting together in an away end and kicking off things, making the entire travelling fans look stupid.

Can someone remind me of this glorious uptopian time when everyone went to the game, shook each others hands at the end and had a jolly good time ?

I've pretty much been to every ground in the league at one time or another and you get swearing everywhere. Name me one ground where you don't hear it ...

As for crowd trouble, do a bit of research and you'll find that 'trouble' at games goes right back to the very start of the Northern Union.

I don't think for one minute that the small pockets of opposition supporters that you often see mingled in "the other end" at the CC and GF are there because they have deliberately bought those tickets to cause trouble, rather that organised trips often buy their tickets from the RFL quite a long time in advance before the finalists are known, there shouldn't generally be a problem with this, the problems start when you mix several hours worth of alcohol intake and the "team effect" of an adult male party together - standing in all seater stadiums is the usual spark to the flame and its just not stewarded properly.

I wouldn't want to take a young child into a stadium on a finals day when I have no clue of who is going to be sat around me.

Please find below a copy of the post I put on the Warrington site this morning.If you think it is biased due to being a Warrington supporter then I can assure you it is not. You can trivialise events like this as just a bit of fighting if you wish but this bit of fighting ruined the day for kids and adults alike.



With regards to the trouble in the right hand corner of the Warrington end ( block 109 ) can I say that the Leeds "supporters" in that block ( approx rows 4 to 12 ) were an absolute disgrace. They were mostly in their 20s but ranged up to I'd guess 40 years old

I was sat approx 5 rows right behind them.

Can I thank them for showering my 68 year old parents with beer on at least 3 occasions ( along with their friend who came to his first game of rugby for 30 years ).

Can I thank them for offering my 68 year old dad out for a fight after he complained about the first of the beer showers.

Can I thank them for offering to fight a group of teenagers ( 13/14 year olds ) further a log the rows from them for having the temerity to applaud Warrington when they scored.

Can I thank them for the obscene gestures that we were subjected to from before the kick off until the time they actually decided that they had all had enough to drink and would mow like to start fighting with 10 minutes to go.

Can i thank them for hitting my wife with a plastic cup of beer

Can i thank them also for hitting the little girl about 5 rows above me in the face with a plastic cup of beer.

Can I thank them for reducing children around me to tears due to fear.

But can i also thank the moronic Warrington fans who rose to the bait thus ensuring a fight finally ensued.

A great day ruined. At the final hooter I didnt actually know the score because people were trying to calm everybody down.

To any Leeds fans sat down in this corner who obviously were not involved in this incident I apologise unreservedly for tarring you with the same brush as these morons. We had great banter with genuine Leeds supporters all day.

But to the group of Leeds "supporters" who instigated all the trouble.

You managed to spoil a great day out for hundreds of people. My wife will not attend another match if there is a chance that away fans could be mingled in with home fans ( ie Grand Final ). So thanks for that.

I do not want this brushed under the carpet or ignored because we won. I want the CC footage examined and I want to see the main instigators charged ( including the WArrington fans if necessary ). I want to see the people hurling the plastic pots filled with beer at people charged with assault. Any chance. NO.

Another solution ??

I was p***ed and so was my son and his mates. I can`t talk for anyone else but we were all loved up, on a Wire high. We were having the crack with all the different clubs fans some of who were p***ed too. Unblelievable day.Will stay with me forever.

damn thats is terrible behaviour. Real disgrace!

How people always blame alcohol for the problem annoys me. There's plenty of people who have drink and don't become stupid and violent. The people who cause trouble have it in their nature already.

Oh and they should also hang their heads in shame for first paying £4.50 for rubbish beer and then throwing it away.

Good to see you have no actual argument. Again, don't lose sleep over it lol.

It isnt new, but it is, thankfully still in the great minority for a major RL game.

Beer isnt the problem, drinking is the problem. Idiotism is. so lets not start banning booze, lets start banning idiots.

In this case there was an issue in one small part of the ground, the rest of the day I am sure went brilliantly for everyone (that doesnt make up for those that had their day spoiled) - same as it does at the Magic Weekends.

Because I've been every year. Why would that not be obvious?

This.

Anyone who travelled to see Leeds in Perpignan a few years ago will probably be aware of a small band of idiots who managed to spoil a very well run BBQ event with their moronic behaviour. They didn't act like prats because they have been drinking (plenty of us had been drinking), they acted like prats because they were prats.

There were 85,000 people at Wembley yesterday, many of them who will have been on the ale at some point during the day, and very few problems. The only time I saw a police officer all day was walking back along Olympic Way to Wembley Park station (compare that with Leeds United's trip a few years ago).

Unfortunately, we will always have idiots walk among us. When you have a stadium that is largely staffed by disinterested teenagers working for a security agency for £5.50 an hour, you are going to have these incidents occur.

I don't think the disinterested staff caused the problem and the guys in the light blue jackets were quick at stopping it.

I wonder if any fines will be dished out to clubs, or is that reserved for Cas?

Warrington fans are a disgrace to Rugby League etc.

Looked like a decent ruck, I could see punches being thrown from my seat in the opposite stand.

Didn't come across any trouble really, apart from a few Hunslet fans winding up Leeds supporters.

Fines are given to the clubs that are in control of the crowd. As this was an RFL event, and the incident in question was resolved, I don't see why there would need to be anything of the sort. The only thing Leeds, Wire and the RFL can do after is identify and ban people.

What you describe is almost identical, word for word, to what I witnessed at the 2005 Leeds/Hull final at Cardiff except that I was sat four rows closer to it than you.

To those who say that it is not alcohol that causes these problems, I'm not sure where your reasoning comes from, sure it takes an aggressive individual to want to create such mob violence in the first place but its the alcohol that is the spark to the fusewire, it would be a shame to ban alcohol sales inside the stadium because that is only part of the problem - anti-social behaviour like throwing beer around should be an instant ejection from the ground, no questions asked.

And like bramleyrhino I too was part of the same bbq night in Perpignan that was completely ruined by another gang of middle aged boozed-up fekkwits who simply did not have the knowledge of how to control their moronic behaviour under the influence of alcohol.

It embarrassing when its attached to your club but the truth is its a whole tranche of society who simply don't know how to control themselves now.

What is even more disconcerting is there are people posting on here who sem to condone these actions.

Rugby League PRIDES itself on a friendly FAMILY sport.

OK! occasionally the language at matches, at times is a bit near the knuckle but then words really never physically hurt anyone.

The people involved in this ruck really should be ashamed of themselves but they won't be.

Nobody is going to "dob in a mate".

Such a shame.

Well I went yesterday with 3 of my mates and we were sat with Wire,Wigan,Hull and Widnes fans and I never seen any trouble all day and you could tell that we all had a few beers

and I did not have any trouble with any of them.
A few people on here said it's down to the beer I disagree with these comments completely as we ourselves had a few beers and there was not a hint of trouble at all just having a really good time.