I do find it amusing that the fans of the semi-pro clubs are so outraged by this closed shop to the top tier, stating that the sport isn't pure, there needs to be competition, etc.

So where were all the thousands of petitions and campaigns to get P&R from the 3rd tier to the 4th tier? That's being going on longer. Why not campaign for that? Because it doesn't suit you. You don't want to be down there, you want to be up at the top. Yet you are calling the fans that are at the top for the very same things you've been doing to the amateur teams.

I am a fan of the most successful professional club in the history of superleague, but first and foremost I am a Rugby League Fan who cares about how the game is run and its effects on other lesser clubs.

In my opinion the RFL don't think things through, keep changing there agenda when confronted with obstacles...................in fact the RFL always reminds me of a Dog Chasing its Tail.

I,m led to believe that you are charged over £8000 per week, is that correct.

Yes...




Rugby league didn't start in 1996.

how many amateur teams want to move into the professional ranks.?

Irrelevant. Whether, eg Bramley Buffaloes, want to be promoted to Championship 1 after winning their fourth minor premiership in a row (and when they won their first grand final iirc the division they play in was called NL3) the point is that the semi-pro clubs don't offer them the opportunity - instead if they want to move up into the semi-pro ranks they have to apply for entry into the league and have their application judged on a whole range of criteria which aren't simply the performance of their first team on the pitch in any given season. Exactly the same as any semi-pro club wanting to apply to join the full-time professional league.

Now, Bramley is run by a supporters trust, and the people who run it are members of this site so I wouldn't dream to speak for them on whether they want to move up to the semi-pro ranks or how they would prefer to do it if they do.

The point is, though, that there is no automatic promotion and relegation in and out of the semi pro ranks. There never has been in the whole history of the game since 1895



is at best a myth.

For instance, when we joined the league in 1926 we didn't do it by winning the division below in 1925. There was no Castleford RLFC club competing in any competition in 1925. The club was formed new and put in a bid to join the league. And, whether we've had one or two divisions of semi-pro rugby and whether we've had a division of full-time professional rugby above that, that's been true of every club that's ever joined the league. That's how we've always done it. - apart from an experiment between 1995 and 2008. And the experience of Whitehaven, Oldham, Widnes (remember the club was wound up the day after the 2007 Grand Final) and indeed ourselves, shows that that experiment didn't work to the benefit of the game or the clubs. Licences are simply a return to the way we've always done things.

If on the other hand, you believe that automatic promotion and relegation between the professional and semi-professional leagues is such a fundamental 'right' then logically you have to support automatic promotion and relegation between the amateur and semi-pro ranks for the same reason. And if your club finishes bottom of Championship 1 in one year, be prepared to go down to the amateur ranks with whatever consequences that may have for your club.

I totally agree!!

As j.c asked , how many amatuer clubs want to move into the Championships ?

Who is stopping them ?

Why ?

Simple question , away you go

personally speaking if bramley want back in then let them in.
i would be disappointed if my club was voting against them re-entering the semi pro ranks.

But you're happy that the process is dependent on them submitting an application and having it judged on a range of criteria, not up and down each year dependent on winning their Grand Final and replacing the team who finished bottom of Championship 1, who would take their place in the amateur set-up? That's the point.

done for the love of the club than to actually get a return

And we have a TV deal , unfortunatley in many cases it actually loses clubs revenue as attendances on a thursday night are poor

So if it was thought to be a good idea or not at the begining , it doesn't actually help the vast majority or any of clubs financially

And that is were the clubs need help , now I am not suggesting that we get money just tipped in as no doubt some will now shout back at me , my point being the RFL havent a clue what direction to take the lower tiers in , they just either dont know or worse , dont care

They dont want the lower tier clubs to grow , they want us to remain on the breadline struggling along

Answer my Question

What clubs ?

Who is stopping them ?

Why ?

Dont miss out a post , answer the question

I know the answer , so do you , so come on WHO is stopping them ?

How many semi-pro clubs want to be full time professional clubs (you know, forking out £50k a year to meet the minimum wage requirements of running an under18 squat, for instance)?

Who is stopping the ones that do?

Why?

Simple question … away you go

Give us 1.2 million and I'll find you several

Nobody



I've ansered yours

away you go

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i dont have a problem with P&R at any level.
any way most amateur clubs are better run than a lot of pro clubs.

At the risk of biting....

Somebody could probably correct me here, but didn't Hunslet raise an objection to Bramley's bid to enter NL2? Something to do with their plan to play at Morley?

That is what I heard as well

Now then is anybody seriously suggesting that Bramley are being stopped from applying to become a Championship club because of an objection by Hunslet ?

No , the reason there is not promotion to and relegation out of Championship 1 to the amatuer ranks is because the RFL dont want it

Yes the RFL dont want it

If there was relegation then the main clubs in danger would be the Expansion clubs as they are the ones most frequently at the bottom

The RFL dont want promotion to the Championships because it would be heartland clubs coming in instead of expansion clubs

tb knows this but as usual refuses to acknowledge the truth

Pathetic

I don't know that at all.

I do know that there has never, in 115 years, been any such promotion and relegation. It's hardly a new thing invented by the current people in charge at Red Hall.

I also know that there hasn't been any campaign - or as far as I'm aware a single post on these boards in the 10 years the site's existed - demanding that such automatic promotion and relegation be introduced, least of all by the posters constantly demanding that P&R is the lifeblood of sport, without which it is meaningless (but only if it means their club being promoted to SL, not if it means their club being relegated to the Conference).

How many clubs having had 8 million pounds of SKY money couldn't comply with framing the future to achieve promotion and therefore the RFL changed their own criteria to allow said club back into SL twice

As for the minimum wage argument at the u 18's level , you try to find a business that can apply minimum wage laws to only part of it's staff ?

I know I certainly cant , if you apply minimum wage law it has to be to ALL your staff , and yet this doesn't apply to RL clubs

pathetic is the only word to describe you

I'm sorry: are you suggesting that Leigh breaches employment legislation in terms of its first team and under 20s squad? Really??

TB I respect your right to post complete shiite. You do it well with great grammar, you remind me so much of someone not tasked with generating income/profits but flourish in some ivory tower whilst pontificating over people at the coal face in the real world.
I hope you are not some poor soul about to be decimated as the government strips the spongers out of our cost base.

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

Unless you're suggesting that 'at the coal face in the real world' wherever that is, ignoring the law is both standard and acceptable?

You have just suggested in previous post that it is the Championship clubs that have stopped promotion to and relegation out of Championship 1 , that is a total lie and you know it , how idiotic do you want to make yourself

The only body that has the power to refuse that is the RFL

If you dont know why or prefer to pretend you dont know why , ring them and ask

Do Castleford pay minimum wage to all it's academy players for the set number of hours they train play and travel to matches ?

Answer , NO

So are castleford breaching employment legislation in terms of it's academy squad ?

you really are that stupid