Our average attendance is above that of Quins and Salford.

We also have age levels in South Wales feeding into the Crusaders squad using South Wales Scorpions as a stepping stone. A few lads have made the transition this season.

I can't see how the RFL will justify including Salford and Quins if they boot us out. Quins have had years and still attract crowds that are nowhere near the 5,208 average at the Racecourse this year. The young Welsh lads will come through if given the chance. The win at Hull FC in the under 18's competition this weekend only goes to show the potential in Wales and a lot more than London, I'll go out on a limb to say.

The RFL will support them if they can continue.

Financially I think its a very difficult time to be building any team from scratch in RL to operate at super league level.

I hope crusaders can continue to grow but I firmly suspect that their place will be taken by Widnes at the next round of applications or sooner and that they will drop back to NL initially.

BN for widnes?

I don't think they will be the only club needing to reevaluate their SL status either.



If you haven't got a sugar Daddy at the mo you will struggle.

Bit of spin on the figures there

Average attendances for all Crusaders 'home' games = 4837, Salfords is currently 4241. Those figures will be alot closer after your 3 remaining games. Although you could throw more leaflets offering free/cut price tickets into Pizza Hut down the road. Called in there recently and saw a table with the leaflets piled up, looked untouched actually.

Oh forgot to add this observation - 3 of your last 4 games at the Racecourse were UNDER 3000. Even Quins can beat that.

What spin have I put on our figures?

Our average attendance is above Quins and Salford with both having been round longer than us, a lot longer in Salford's case. No spin there just facts. Well over 10% more than Salford get and a lot more than Quins get.

Crusaders trying to generate support by getting out and about to restaurants distributing leaflets. Yeah sidesplitting.

I sense the anti-crusaders vibes coming from you so I won't waste my posts on you much more but can't see what spin I've put on the figures. They speak for themselves and so does the development work that is going on.

I simply meant you had ignored the 1495 in your average....and your right the figures speak for themselves. Why is it that when facts are quoted that someone doesn't like they state. "I won't waste my posts on you". The simple answer to that is you can't argue with facts

Crusaders Ave Attendance (including Neath) - 4837
Salford Ave Attendance - 4664
Harlequins Ave Attendance - 4071

Looks like it's Salford that are the waste of space

I have Salford as 4241, so even more of a waste of space!

Which is why I put average at the Racecourse. Couldn't you work that out?

The fact is the average is 5,208 for the Crusaders games at the Racecourse. The average including the Neath fixture is above that of Quins and Salford which is also what I said. You're right, facts do speak for themselves.

So you accept as fact that 3 of your last 4 games at the RACECOURSE have been shocking and lower than Salford and Quins crowds.

However you could blame that on the fact those games were against Bradford, Wakey and Salford

Probably include us because after many of years it looks like the stadium is actually on its way and it looks as if we're after signing some good players, so therefore we've got potentially for the next few years.

Although we took edging to 600 fans, which means there was less than 2,000 crusaders fans, which imo is very poor.

Shhhh, you can't say that. Hang on...Salford took nearly 600 fans

are you absolutely sure

As unbelievable as it sounds, yes a good following was took by us.

Im not sure Quins are that safe

DH Stays committed then Quins should be ok. He gives it in Quins doomed simple as.

Are you trying to tell me Salford fans made up around a quarter of the crowd yesterday?

You must be joking right. A few hundred yes, 600 not so sure.

Looked at least 1/3 on TV.

Is that TV where the camera is the side the vast majority of Crusaders fans sit?

I haven't commented on this thread on redpassion yet but here is their independent view on how many Salford brought. www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/crus ... day-7.html

I haven't commented on this thread on redpassion yet but here is their independent view on how many Salford brought. www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/crus ... day-7.html

Dunno, just saw a sea of red and assumed it was the Salford end.

Oh yeah. The attendance at the Salford Game was so dire up north because the chester races were on at the same time. Now the chester races get around 25,000-30,000 people every year, and wrexham is not the biggest village in the world. Would of knocked off a minimum of 1000 fans, maybe even 1500-2000. Might go some way to describing why the fans were so low.

so from 2400 to 3400, and possibly could of been closer to 4000 without the races going on.

Was just about to put this on here Spongolium.

That amount of people attending a sporting event so close to the game was bound to have an effect.

Well done in that case you used your first posts to knock Crusaders (do keep up as the vast majority of Widnes fans have moved on), by the way have a look at the Gillette under 18 champions for last year (and who made the playoffs for this year but sadly pulled out) and the National Conference for the year before if you want to see how our youth and reserves did.

Yes the crowds are low and yes the club needs to put it's money where it's mouth is but come on it's not as though Widnes didn't encounter it's problems chasing the dream is it?

And yet you've never posted on our forum,