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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"If your argument is it might still happen. It seems pointless to focus on the distinction between an aim and a prediction'"
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| Quote ="moto748"You're never going to get, literally, "every game matters". But the new set-up has certainly reduced the number of dead-rubber matches, and that's a big step in the right direction. It gets a qualified thumbs-up from me. A RU fan in my local has commented plenty off times about the fact that their promotion/relegation set-up leaves the promoted team with much less money to spend (half as much, I believe, as the other Premiership clubs). The result of this is that you get a team promoted who look enviously at Wakey's record: London Welsh didn't win a game all season! That is a mistake we don't want to repeat.
And, like plenty it seems, I'm finding the glass-half-empty negativity of some around here hard to take. I've never used an "ignore" function on any talkboard I've posted on, but I'm getting tempted here.'" you can pretend its glass half empty if you want. But when you have lost about 20% of your attendances, and are falling still further, and the leadership is putting in place a plan even they think will take another 7 years to get back to where we were it isn't being pessimistic. The fact is a major change has been implemented without the expectation of success and has so far only achieved taking already low crowds even lower.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Oh god, he's off again.
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Jesus. At least gutters and Jean are imaginative in their nonsense.......
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I didn't say it was. I was referring to the home league win. Do keep up.
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I didn't say it was. I was referring to the home league win. Do keep up.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA".......
It highlights the stupidity of the system that we could very well end up with a team with 5 wins playing one with 2 in a winner takes all play off.'"
I'm no mathematician but I think that a team with five wins can't possibly finish as low as 4th. I may be wrong but, if I am it would be a very unlikely outcome so hardly evidence of the stupidity of the system. Let's see how it pans out before slamming it.
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| I started to think about the same but it made my head hurt. Its not like Smokey to talk rubbish though
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"As poor as was to be expected, mitigated by the drop to 12.
Some teams have given up, others have just been pants, we have seen clubs picking and choosing the games to be 'up' for, and the expected increase in overseas players as clubs panic.
Attendances already at a low point have fallen further and we are left seeing Bradford's precipitously falling attendances being spun as growth by moving them from one data set to another.'"
Why do you watch a sport that you obviously despise?
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| Quote ="loiner81"Well that certainly explains a lot
And you nearly had a new reason to troll these boards too. So close.'"
Target you say?
Hmmm....... Targets normally come with rewards for achievement and consequence for failure.....the RFL don't do consequence.
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"I'm no mathematician but I think that a team with five wins can't possibly finish as low as 4th. I may be wrong but, if I am it would be a very unlikely outcome so hardly evidence of the stupidity of the system. Let's see how it pans out before slamming it.'" You are and its not really an unlikely outcome.
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| Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"Why do you watch a sport that you obviously despise?'"
I don't.
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| Quote ="roversmad"I didn't say it was. I was referring to the home league win. Do keep up.'"
So your evidence that Hull KR weren't picking and choosing which games to try and win was the fact they beat a team they also lost 60-0 to. Good work batman.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You are and its not really an unlikely outcome.'"
We'll, as I said, I'm no mathematician. Perhaps you could provide me with the scenario where a team wins five games and finishes 4th. And perhaps you could show me how you worked out the probability of it happening as well. Just out of interest.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"So your evidence that Hull KR weren't picking and choosing which games to try and win was the fact they beat a team they also lost 60-0 to. Good work batman.'"
You really are spectacularly stupid aren't you?
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"We'll, as I said, I'm no mathematician. Perhaps you could provide me with the scenario where a team wins five games and finishes 4th. And perhaps you could show me how you worked out the probability of it happening as well. Just out of interest.'"
Top 4 all beat the bottom 4 in all 4 games. All 4 would be on 8 points.
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2L X W L
3L L X W
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That would leave 3 teams on 10 pts.
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| Quote ="roversmad"You really are spectacularly stupid aren't you?'"
You've covered it up well there. I don't think any body noticed
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You've covered it up well there. I don't think any body noticed
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Ok, you win. We obviously targeted Wigan as a game we should win. Can't understand why we didn't also target a lesser team like Leeds but, hey ho.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"They can't both do that though because they have to play each other.
And it also assumes that wakefield for instance don't gain those 2 points back by beating one of the other SL sides.
It's also likely that 4 wins would only get you 4th. So it would be likely that they would then need to beat the SL side again.
It highlights the stupidity of the system that we could very well end up with a team with 5 wins playing one with 2 in a winner takes all play off.'"
You base your formula on SL teams. You never once mention Championship.
Quote So it would be likely that they would then need to beat the SL/=#FF4000Championship side again.'"
Looks better to me.
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| That was a pretty spectacular missing of the point
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I don't.'"
Ahh, that explains a lot of your explanations then.
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| #topbantz
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| I've kind of enjoyed this season apart from the constant shenanigans going on at Salford (my team). I'm even more looking forward to our first ever full house at Barton when Leigh bring their customary 10k away support!
We've had a thread going on our board about the middle 8's and, IMO, I can't see past a top 3 of Widnes, Hull KR & Salford (if they do end up in 9th, 10th & 11th). Wakey will be fighting over the final spot for me with Leigh and Bradford. Yes, both Leigh and Bradford have had great seasons and Leigh have turned over Salford and Wakefield (who were both on their ar$es at the time) but I can't see them having the strength or quality to win the 4 or 5 games required to make it into the top 3. Apologies to the fans of Halifax & Sheffield (or any other Championship team) but if they win more than a game each and compete with the other 6 then they'd have had a good season IMO).
If any team did make it up out of the Championship I'd like it to be Bradford. Leigh have a huge number of numpty fans who will only get worse if they get promoted. Couldn't cope with Ste, Charlie et al swamping our board every week with their drivel!
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| Here we go again, it really is tiresome. Pay your suppliers and players. Come back when you become a good example of a well run RL club.....but you'll have to get rid of the 'mouth' first
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Here we go again, it really is tiresome. Pay your suppliers and players. Come back when you become a good example of a well run RL club.....but you'll have to get rid of the 'mouth' first'"
They are in a world of their own Demon..They just don't know whats coming..
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"That was a pretty spectacular missing of the point'"
But I didn't miss a post,as you did. [url=http://viewtopic.php?p=18134883#p18134883HERE[/url
Thats reality not fiction.
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| I'd say the league def seems closer this year. Despite sitting in ninth Ive been reasonably confident of my team being able to challenge the top teams at home this season and we've turned over quite a few. Aside from poor wakey the other eleven seem to be able to give each other a reasonable game. Be good to see Leeds, Wigan and sts slip a bit and see some of the others sitting in top three spots in years to come.
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