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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Ah it does not take long for the negatives to come on and push an agenda.'"
I simply responded to the fawning over a press release that points to a slow down on sales. The negativity comes from the kids who didn't like the fact that if you re-read the press release, it's not all rosey in the RLWC 2013 garden...they even started waving their wallets at me offering me insane bets because I burst their bubble
The slowdown in ticket sales could directly have an impact on the marketability of the sponsorship rights as well as the broadcast deal.....it may not, but it could and therefore, my point is valid as well as pretty accurate.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Back up my argument? are you 5yrs old?
You wanted me to take a wager that the RLWC would get maybe 50,000 less fans that 2008....with 10 more games. Nobody in their right mind would take that bet.....8,928 a game is nearly half the average from 2008 (16,331).
457,268 fans are needed to match RLWC 2008.........if you really fancy a flutter,I'll give you 2/1 on that....and BTW.....I don't bet for charity.
Good lad...you do that. I am keen to see how big this BIG GROUP is.
No it's not...he's backing the RLWC 2013 to have an average of 8,928.....it's a loaded offer and one I have shown to carry no credible weight.
Dream on guys.......and make sure you secure your tickets for Cardiff before it's too late
'" If you're talking about average attendances and not cumulative, then a higher number of matches would be a disadvantage. Again, what sort of ticket sales would you deem acceptable 8 months prior to the start of a tournament with kick-off times yet to be announced?
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| Just think how much higher tv viewing figures would be if no one actually went.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther":g5rxgbk7Didn't think you'd back your argument up.
You're wrong and know you are, that's why you're getting all rangy like a baby. And Starbug getting on your side speaks volumes.'" :g5rxgbk7
Quote ="headhunter"Presumably 2015 is a RU World Cup, I don't know who buys tickets for those sort of events so I wouldn't be able to comment on how fast they will sell or whether they will sell out. I'm not sure why you're expecting this in RL though when there's absolutely no precedent for such things.'"
This is the 15th RLWC.......define precedent
As for not knowing who buys tickets to these sorts of events...... grow up. The RWC 2015 will be wall to wall on ITV from Jan 1st 2015...build up, promos etc....and yes, the final, semis and england pool games will sell out in a flash....regardless of the "type of person" buying......the RLWC 2013 hasn't even agreed a TV partner yet FFS and has 40,000 seats for the final still available....these are FACTS by the way, not opinion!
I repeat.....I am not knocking the RLWC.....I am simply saying that they have shifted maybe 100k tickets and need to get their finger out shifting the other 400k....judging by the comments on here about "waiting til later in the year"...they should have no problem with that, but English RL fans don't have a pedigree for flocking to internationals.........
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| For those that hate RU the 3 Lions tests in Aus this summer sold out in 15 Mins!! The Brisbane game selling in 5 mins!
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| There is a rugby union thread in the 'other sports' section of the forum, if you wish to further discuss the RU World Cup.
Why compare the two? We all know what you are telling us. Lets concentrating on making OUR World Cup as good as it can be, and let the Union boys do their thing.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Why would it be 8k for a World Cup game with England playing? Don't see how that has lost you so easily.
England got 8k at Salford and just under 9k down the road at Craven Park in a tournament that wasn't organised and didn't mean anything v France.
I'll take a £500 charity bet that there are more than 8000 on.'"
Well since the 2000 including the World Cup if you exclude games against Australia and New Zealand but include "bigger" Nations like France the average crowd against the rest in England has been 9,500.
If you include all teams the average is 20,000.
Maybe it will be double that this year, I hope so.
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| Quote ="wire quin"For those that hate RU the 3 Lions tests in Aus this summer sold out in 15 Mins!! The Brisbane game selling in 5 mins!'"
who cares. RU can do what they want, we dont earn any more money by being better than them, they dont earn any more by being better than us, we arent each others benchmarks.
We arent staging a world cup to be like RU, we arent staging one to compete with them, we are staging one so that RL fans can watch RL nations play RL and make as much money as we can whilst doing it.
as long as the WC makes a bit of money and everyone enjoys it, then it has met its minimum targets. IF we make money, we spend it toward the next one, and make a bit, and so on and so on until we build it to something bigger and better.
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| Quote ="wire quin"For those that hate RU the 3 Lions tests in Aus this summer sold out in 15 Mins!! The Brisbane game selling in 5 mins!'"
What has that got to do with anything?
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| Rugby League fans. Being negative about the sport since 1895.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Quote ="wire quin"For those that hate RU the 3 Lions tests in Aus this summer sold out in 15 Mins!! The Brisbane game selling in 5 mins!'"
who cares. RU can do what they want, we dont earn any more money by being better than them, they dont earn any more by being better than us, we arent each others benchmarks.
We arent staging a world cup to be like RU, we arent staging one to compete with them, we are staging one so that RL fans can watch RL nations play RL and make as much money as we can whilst doing it.
as long as the WC makes a bit of money and everyone enjoys it, then it has met its minimum targets. IF we make money, we spend it toward the next one, and make a bit, and so on and so on until we build it to something bigger and better.'"
Excellent post. I think we need to stop comparing it to RU as they are light years ahead of us internationally.
Lets compare it to previous RL world cups. The last World Cup held here was a disaster. Massive financial losses and a final attended by 40k. This time around we have sold 35k in under 4 months and the other games are selling well.
Lets compare it to the successful 08 WC. It was well attended and made a great profit. Gutter fax, you said this Aussie WC was a huge success and we won't beat. You said you expect the opening ceremony, semi, fina and all England's games to sell out. But didn't the Aussies only sell the final out?
You keep mentioning average attendance, but if we get more fans attending, but less average attendance over more games, surely this is a success?
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Random? RLWC has a potential attendance of 500,000 if they sell every ticket......there are 28 games this time around, so an average of 17,857 would be needed for 100% capacity......which of course is impossible. If they match 2008, they will get 457,268 through the gates....they won't.
Random numbers I don't do.....realism I have in bucket loads though
This is the 15th RLWC.......define precedent
As for not knowing who buys tickets to these sorts of events......
grow up. The RWC 2015 will be wall to wall on ITV from Jan 1st 2015...build up, promos etc....and yes, the final, semis and england pool games will sell out in a flash....regardless of the "type of person" buying......the RLWC 2013 hasn't even agreed a TV partner yet FFS and has 40,000 seats for the final still available....these are FACTS by the way, not opinion!
I repeat.....I am not knocking the RLWC.....I am simply saying that they have shifted maybe 100k tickets and need to get their finger out shifting the other 400k....judging by the comments on here about "waiting til later in the year"...they should have no problem with that, but English RL fans don't have a pedigree for flocking to internationals.........'"
Just out of curiosity, how many tickets were available 8 months before the last World Cup, and how many were sold?
Maybe that will give us a better indication of were we stand in relation to the last competition.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Back up my argument? are you 5yrs old?
You wanted me to take a wager that the RLWC would get maybe 50,000 less fans that 2008....with 10 more games. Nobody in their right mind would take that bet.....8,928 a game is nearly half the average from 2008 (16,331).
=#FF0000457,268 fans are needed to match RLWC 2008.........if you really fancy a flutter,I'll give you 2/1 on that....and BTW.....I don't bet for charity.
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That figure is a little flawed.
For a true comparison vs the 2008 World Cup, you can't simply add on 10 games at the 2008 average (for the whole tournament). Afterall, both tournaments have the same number of Finals (1) & Semi-Finals (2), the extra games are coming in the group stages and quarter finals.
You've basically included figures in your average for games at the Suncorp and the SFS and applied them to Derwent Park & Spotland.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"
Lets compare it to previous RL world cups. The last World Cup held here was a disaster. Massive financial losses and a final attended by 40k. This time around we have sold 35k in under 4 months and the other games are selling well.
Lets compare it to the successful 08 WC. It was well attended and made a great profit. Gutter fax, you said this Aussie WC was a huge success and we won't beat. You said you expect the opening ceremony, semi, fina and all England's games to sell out. But didn't the Aussies only sell the final out?
You keep mentioning average attendance, but if we get more fans attending, but less average attendance over more games, surely this is a success?'"
Nail. Head. Hit.
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| For mine, I have bought my ticket for the final as one of a group of 10. Im planning on attending at least another 7 games, again probably in a group of 4/6 ish, and will hopefully be organising a bit of a club day to the semi final.
But as a tight RL fan, I
a, want to keep my money in my pocket for as long as possible,
b, dont want to pay a transaction fee every time if i bought tickets sporadically as some folk on here have mentioned.
c, im trying to give my friends a chance to buy tickets at the same time for games at the John Smith/ DW etc. so that we can all sit together,
The article cited states that the vast majority of tickets bought so far have been bought by people that have never attended a major RL event before. When the rest of us decide to get ours, ie mid October, then is the time to break out the doom mongering, surely.
All in all, there are alot of positive signs for the 2013RLWC, especially in comparison to the 2000 RLWC.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"who cares. RU can do what they want, we dont earn any more money by being better than them, they dont earn any more by being better than us, we arent each others benchmarks.'"
Firstly, I'd say they do earn more money than the RFL.....not because of them having a better game,but because of them having a much better management in place. An example of this would be the 6 England internationals played at Twickenham in 2013 that will attract a minimum of 480,000 fans paying on average ₤65 a ticket...₤31,200,000 in ticketed revenue alone.Their domestic competition has similar attendance figures to Superleague, smaller TV audience, but a ₤5,000,000 a year naming sponsor.
We can only pray that the RFL has at least learnt one thing from the IRB over the last few years and that is the importance of FTA coverage.........ITV offered less than Uncle Rupert last time for 2011/2015 rights, but the IRB took the hit for the benefit of the sport in general.....IMHO, whilst Sky has been vital to the creation of Superleague as it is now, it has also prevented true growth that could be achieved by FTA coverage.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Firstly, I'd say they do earn more money than the RFL.....not because of them having a better game,but because of them having a much better management in place. An example of this would be the 6 England internationals played at Twickenham in 2013 that will attract a minimum of 480,000 fans paying on average ₤65 a ticket...₤31,200,000 in ticketed revenue alone.Their domestic competition has similar attendance figures to Superleague, smaller TV audience, but a ₤5,000,000 a year naming sponsor.
We can only pray that the RFL has at least learnt one thing from the IRB over the last few years and that is the importance of FTA coverage.........ITV offered less than Uncle Rupert last time for 2011/2015 rights, but the IRB took the hit for the benefit of the sport in general.....IMHO, whilst Sky has been vital to the creation of Superleague as it is now, it has also prevented true growth that could be achieved by FTA coverage.'"
I thought that this thread was about RL World Cup ticket sales. It isn't. It's been taken over by a couple of overgrown schoolboys who want to score points against one another. Grow up.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"I thought that this thread was about RL World Cup ticket sales. It isn't. It's been taken over by a couple of overgrown schoolboys who want to score points against one another. Grow up.'"
Actually,if you re-read the thread, you'll see that I wasn't the one who first mentioned the other code.....I am simply answering the questions put tome and debating their values
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The ticket sales to date are a worry IMO......I am happy to post a retraction/apology on here if the RFL managed to get 300k to the 28 games, but from a professional standpoint, the "extension of the early bird" offer, together with the declaration of 40,000 unsold seats for the final is not good.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"We can only pray that the RFL has at least learnt one thing from the IRB over the last few years and that is the importance of FTA coverage.........ITV offered less than Uncle Rupert last time for 2011/2015 rights, but the IRB took the hit for the benefit of the sport in general.....IMHO, whilst Sky has been vital to the creation of Superleague as it is now, it has also prevented true growth that could be achieved by FTA coverage.'"
Pursuing a strategy of FTA, and absorbing the reduced income thusly is all fine and well, but when the RFL are releasing development officers due to reduced funding, the opportunity to exploit extra coverage and an uptake in interest is going to go unmet surely.
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| Quote ="J O N N Y"Pursuing a strategy of FTA, and absorbing the reduced income thusly is all fine and well, but when the RFL are releasing development officers due to reduced funding, the opportunity to exploit extra coverage and an uptake in interest is going to go unmet surely.'"
It's a double edged sword. Yes, getting a few bob extra from SKY for the broadcast rights is a good thing, but there is a massive difference between 200k viewers on PAY TV and over a million on FTA. Also, there is a lot of stuff competing for attention in November next year.....wendyball, the other lot as well as the RLWC 2013.......having games on the BBC would be more beneficial in the long term IMO.
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| My advice would be to wait for the desperate sales pitch offering massively discounted World Cup tickets throughout the months of October and November.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Actually,if you re-read the thread, you'll see that I wasn't the one who first mentioned the other code.....I am simply answering the questions put tome and debating their values
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Always a worry that one , I really dont understand the way they work , what exactly does ' extending ' a cheap offer achieve ? , it gives out completely the wrong message
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