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| Quote ="Nothus"Methinks that might be the last we see of Ben Thaler in these playoffs. Leeds were the better side on the night though so deserved to progress.
The odds of us seeing another Leeds Saints GF grow shorter every week, how monotonous.'"
Someone else should turn up to the party then. FWIW I think Wigan and Warrington will this year.
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| Quote ="christopher"If you want a laugh head over to the Wigan forum, I've never read such a load if paranoid nonsense.'"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Clearly it is a matter of opinion or we wouldnt have referees but a computer up in the stands. The rules are there to be interpreted, you interpret them different from the referee in these two incidents.'"
If McGuire and Fakir receive bans from the disciplinary panel, does that mean the officials on the field got it wrong?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Love how the Wigan fans are still insisting all contact with the head is the same. Mcguire was silly, but not in any way, shape or form similar or on a level with Mcilorum's. Fakir's aswell. Both were mistimed swings at falling players, Mcilorums was a late, high, swing at a static player, if you cant tell the difference between them then you are beyond help and we would be best to leave you festering in your bitterness.'"
If you consider the inconsistency around the issue it's understandable, in the same game that MM got sent off Perry got away with dropping on Lima with forearm but didn't "promote" the arm - yes, from standing up to dropping on someone's head without promoting the arm?? One punch for Wigan = sending off, but for others not so much.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"rugby gods? then when most of wigan were wishing he would never play again? disgusting. i would never wish injury never mind a career ending one on anyone'"
Don't be silly. McG attempted a rather dirty attack and got hurt himself. To say that McG has a great record is a fallacy looking at his playing style, he gets away with a lot.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"If McGuire and Fakir receive bans from the disciplinary panel, does that mean the officials on the field got it wrong?'"
Not necessarily. If the referee was unsighted then on-report was the correct decision, thats what it is there for.
As it is I dont think either will be banned, both looked lazy rather than malicious.
If they do get banned however, ill just accept that as a difference of opinion between me and the disciplinary panel, rather than some crazy conspiracy where the RFL are trying to engineer a Leeds GF win by banning Mike bloody Mcilorum.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"If McGuire and Fakir receive bans from the disciplinary panel, does that mean the officials on the field got it wrong?'"
no. it could be they didn't get a great look at them. although in this case there was a clear view for both.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"If McGuire and Fakir receive bans from the disciplinary panel, does that mean the officials on the field got it wrong?'"
And if they don't does that mean they got it right? I doubt you'd see it that way.
Need to calm down, inconsistencies and chance only have meaning when you make stories up to rationalise randomness. The ref's performance was shoddy and more money needs to go into it quite frankly, but we all knew this before.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I didn't say it was the same. McGuire's and Fakir's challenges (high tackle and raised elbow) were all red card offences if you ask me. It's the inconsistency by the SAME REFEREES that is wrong.'"
This is the exact point that is the issue. Inconsistency. Just last week, 1:30 to go, ah well, lets just let it go.
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| Quote ="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"The most badly refereed playoff game this season. Maguire should have been given 10 mins at the very least. Hall should possible have got the same for his cowardly push at Dureau's back. The less said about Peacock's offside arm grab the better. And will someone please remind Sinfield that being an NFL blocker every time someone puts a bomb up is not aloud?'"
If it's the worst refereeing performance where's your assessment of the Catalans infringements. You have ignored them! Why's that?
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| Quote ="goobervision"If you consider the inconsistency around the issue it's understandable, in the same game that MM got sent off Perry got away with dropping on Lima with forearm but didn't "promote" the arm - yes, from standing up to dropping on someone's head without promoting the arm?? One punch for Wigan = sending off, but for others not so much.'"
Hmm, so you're argument is that two different things not being judged the same means the judging of incidents is inconsistent? Strange
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| Quote ="goobervision"Don't be silly. McG attempted a rather dirty attack and got hurt himself. To say that McG has a great record is a fallacy looking at his playing style, he gets away with a lot.'"
dirty? pulling a player back? first week of the following season tommy leuleii (sp) did the same thing. difference is he was in a wigan shirt though
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Love how the Wigan fans are still insisting all contact with the head is the same. Mcguire was silly, but not in any way, shape or form similar or on a level with Mcilorum's. Fakir's aswell. Both were mistimed swings at falling players, Mcilorums was a late, high, swing at a static player, if you cant tell the difference between them then you are beyond help and we would be best to leave you festering in your bitterness.'"
McGuire deserved a red. He went swinging and connected with the side of the head - it was a disgusting challenge. Fakir should have gone too.
Burrow's knock on at the scrum should have been picked up. Peacock's offside/not square should have been picked up too. Two atrocious decisions that went against the Catalans.
I feel very sorry for them. Inept refereeing cost them big time.
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| Quote ="Bovrick"And if they don't does that mean they got it right? I doubt you'd see it that way.
Need to calm down, inconsistencies and chance only have meaning when you make stories up to rationalise randomness. The ref's performance was shoddy and more money needs to go into it quite frankly, but we all knew this before.'"
not the money but the man in charge
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| Quote ="cadoo"McGuire deserved a red. He went swinging and connected with the side of the head - it was a disgusting challenge. Fakir should have gone too.
Burrow's knock on at the scrum should have been picked up. Peacock's offside/not square should have been picked up too. Two atrocious decisions that went against the Catalans.
I feel very sorry for them. Inept refereeing cost them big time.'"
they got 3 times the penalties Leeds did.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"If McGuire and Fakir receive bans from the disciplinary panel, does that mean the officials on the field got it wrong?'"
If McIllorum received a ban from the disciplinary panel, does that mean the officials on the field got it right?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"they got 3 times the penalties Leeds did.'"
And?
Does that make it all better that the officials missed the incidents they did?
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| Quote ="tad rhino"dirty? pulling a player back? first week of the following season tommy leuleii (sp) did the same thing. difference is he was in a wigan shirt though'"
And McG wore a Leeds shirt but also did more than pulling back.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"not the money but the man in charge'"
Money = More men to choose from/better training = Better men chosen = Better refs = Better product.
Unfortunately, this would probably mean a net loss in terms off money (improvement in quality of matches probably wouldn't translate to cover costs) so unfortunately it's not a decision likely to be made.
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| Quote ="goobervision"And McG wore a Leeds shirt but also did more than pulling back.'"
Did he? What else did he do in that incident?
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| Quote ="Mark_W"If McIllorum received a ban from the disciplinary panel, does that mean the officials on the field got it right?'"
Yes. I've never defended McIlorum's challenge.
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| Quote ="cadoo"And?
Does that make it all better that the officials missed the incidents they did?'"
No, it just makes an argument that the referee favoured Leeds a clear nonsense
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| Quote ="goobervision"And McG wore a Leeds shirt but also did more than pulling back.'"
A- wrong.that was all he did
B- does that justify people wanting him to have his career ended?
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| Embarrassing refereeing and the amount of forward passes and lying on from Leeds was ridiculous. And what a moaning set of pussies they're turning out to be.
Thaler should be kicked down to amateur level until he sharpens his game and grows some balls.
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