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| It's a bit of a strange question from the op.
There is plenty of tinketing from our governing body, looking for evermore "meaningful games"
How about relegating the bottom 2 clubs
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| Catalan are just 4 points in front of Wakefield who have put 50 on them earlier in the season and have to play them again and there's still 26 points to play for, how are they not feasible relegation candidates.
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"
London & Wakefield. Both are not commercially viable. '"
London are as commercially viable as Salford......both rely on a benefactor to pay the bills whilst Bradford have shown themselves less commercially viable than anyone of late....
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| It'd be nice to see Cas go down too.
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"The amount of vindctive rubbish on here is unbelievable. 'I want that club to go down because I don't like them, even though the league as a whole would be worse without them'. The mentality that is ensuring RL will never be what it could be in the UK.
London & Wakefield. Both are not commercially viable entities, both are poorly supported.
As for those arguing for Bradford & Salford - the one that until recently had five-figure home crowds, the other will a multimillionaire owner wanting to create success for RL in the largest city in the North of England - wake the feck up.'"
Salford isnt that large,or are you talking about Manchester,in which case Leeds,Sheffield and Bradford are arguablly all larger.
Didnt London have a multimillionaire backer wanting to create success in a large city?
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| Wakefield's bigger than Salford
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| Wakefield's average last season was actually pretty good.
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| My cup half empty take on things is that bradford will be relegated and never come back.
I read such naive hogwash about rebuilding but I find it just as likely that we instantly go bust again and cannot remain in a cavernous stadium with 2k crowds. Just another former topflight club muddling along pointlessly. Sometimes known as the Halifax model. Or worse hunslet.
I do gain some comfort from knowing that owners and chairs of clubs such as leeds and saints know full well top flight rugby needs bradford and have said as much. The fans just want bradford to face an ill defined type of justice irrespective of the comp it leaves behind.
That kind of parochial spite at the expense of the strategically best scenario is unfortunate but infests every sport. I get it.
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| Whoever finish bottom thankfully, integrity has returned to RL
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| If and I mean if Bradford get their points back and another team goes down instead would that team be able to take the RFL to court and win, when you look at teams like Salford with money to burn and say it was them instead of Bradford
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"If and I mean if Bradford get their points back:'"
I would be staggered if we even get 2 back. I don't think the appeal will affect the relegation spots at all.
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| You will get two points back
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| Quote ="cravenpark1"If and I mean if Bradford get their points back and another team goes down instead would that team be able to take the RFL to court and win, when you look at teams like Salford with money to burn and say it was them instead of Bradford
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On what basis?
The appeal is not being heard by the RFL, it's by an independent panel. So it's not the RFL's decision.
The appeal is allowable under the rules. That's something all clubs have agreed to.
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| Unlike Hughes, Koukash has actually put his money where his mouth is, both in terms of signing players and boosting gates.
Salford is part of Greater Manchester, they're also the nearest team to Manchester centre proper.
Salford's attendances have increased massively on last year. Rome wasn't built in a day, it'll take a couple of seasons until they're challenging. Wanting them to go down for the temerity of having an owner who actually tries to transform a club is parochial spitefulness at its worst.
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| From a Cas point of view it would have to be the 2 teams who bring the least fans, unfortunately, Catalans is one amazing away day, So that leaves London and Salford. But it will definitely be London and Bradford who go down, and as they will be the bottom 2, rightfully so.
Both clubs need a fresh start, they need to take stock of themselves and rebuild the whole identity of the club, once they have done this they will regain their place on merit.
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| Quote ="Dettoriman"
Both clubs need a fresh start, they need to take stock of themselves and rebuild the whole identity of the club, once they have done this they will regain their place on merit.'"
Won't happen. Neither will be back.
But hey maybe feath will have 5 mins in the sun so everyone can pretend the game isn't actually on its aris.
After all what the game needs is the universal panacea of promotion and relegation, with the wholesome and traditional village teams rather than city teams that this brings. That'll make the broadsheets sit up and take notice.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Won't happen. Neither will be back.
But hey maybe feath will have 5 mins in the sun so everyone can pretend the game isn't actually on its aris.
After all what the game needs is the universal panacea of promotion and relegation, with the wholesome and traditional village teams rather than city teams that this brings. That'll make the broadsheets sit up and take notice.'"
So if they dont get back they arent capable of bettering these ' village teams ' ,they wont deserve to get back, and better to see an article on Fev making SL than another debt ridden collapse by Bradford Bulls
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| Quote ="Starbug"So if they dont get back they arent capable of bettering these ' village teams ' ,they wont deserve to get back, and better to see an article on Fev making SL than another debt ridden collapse by Bradford Bulls'"
TBH, I don't see how teams CAN get back into SL after this year. The clubs that are down will be forced down to a lower salary cap than those in SL, a lower overseas quota and might even be forced into having part-time teams due to financial constraints.
Under the old structure of a play-off between Championship clubs to earn promotion, you at least had a chance, but 4 SL sides vs 4 Championship sides? You might get the occasional upset as we've seen in the cup, but is it really going to happen every year?
IMO the 2015 structure is there just to give the illusion of promotion and relegation unless the rules are changed so that all 24 teams are placed on an a more even footing than the one on which they currently stand.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"TBH, I don't see how teams CAN get back into SL after this year. The clubs that are down will be forced down to a lower salary cap than those in SL, a lower overseas quota and might even be forced into having part-time teams due to financial constraints.
Under the old structure of a play-off between Championship clubs to earn promotion, you at least had a chance, but 4 SL sides vs 4 Championship sides? You might get the occasional upset as we've seen in the cup, but is it really going to happen every year?
IMO the 2015 structure is there just to give the illusion of promotion and relegation unless the rules are changed so that all 24 teams are placed on an a more even footing than the one on which they currently stand.'"
Then they dont, simple as, why the concern? , I'm sure you werent concerned before?
You messed up, tough, if you ( your club, owners ,sponsors and support ) arent strong, loyal enough to build yourself back, you stay down with us and enjoy your RL
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"It'd be nice to see Cas go down too.'"
Happened twice already. Not this time though. Dream on.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"After all what the game needs is the universal panacea of promotion and relegation, with the wholesome and traditional village teams rather than city teams that this brings. That'll make the broadsheets sit up and take notice.'"
My "traditional Village team" ain't doing too badly. Plenty of room for more village teams in SL.
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"Unlike Hughes, Koukash has actually put his money where his mouth is, '"
David Hughes has pumped in excess of 13,000,000 into London RL over the seasons 2008 to 2013.......he achieved little in that period.....other than an academy that is now pumping out players of championship standard. He admittedly has little understanding of the importance of crowds, but he will walk away leaving us debt free......that's 13 million pounds by the way.
Dr M has invested nothing like that figure, and achieved pretty much the same......attendances BTW are running at 2012 levels now and Salford are sitting on 9 points at the 50% stage of the season......you were on 8 points this time 2012.
Bradford, Wakefield and London are the only teams worse than Salford this year and the fact is that the "new" "new" "new" Salford next year will have a "new" coach after 8 rounds or so if they aren't in the top half.......Marwan is a breath of fresh air and I hope he has the stamina for it, but in reality, he needs to understand he hasn't bought Manchester City.
London and Bradford down!
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| Quote ="Starbug"Then they dont, simple as, why the concern? , I'm sure you werent concerned before?
You messed up, tough, if you ( your club, owners ,sponsors and support ) arent strong, loyal enough to build yourself back, you stay down with us and enjoy your RL'"
This.
A thousand times over.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So if they dont get back they arent capable of bettering these ' village teams ' ,they wont deserve to get back, and better to see an article on Fev making SL than another debt ridden collapse by Bradford Bulls'"
And again. A thousand times over.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"TBH, I don't see how teams CAN get back into SL after this year. The clubs that are down will be forced down to a lower salary cap than those in SL, a lower overseas quota and might even be forced into having part-time teams due to financial constraints.
Under the old structure of a play-off between Championship clubs to earn promotion, you at least had a chance, but 4 SL sides vs 4 Championship sides? You might get the occasional upset as we've seen in the cup, but is it really going to happen every year?
IMO the 2015 structure is there just to give the illusion of promotion and relegation unless the rules are changed so that all 24 teams are placed on an a more even footing than the one on which they currently stand.'"
If that is the case then the village teams will not be going up, so what is lost. We had to go down to 12 according to many.
It's strange how lower salary cap restraints are only concerning to SL clubs likely to be relegated. There was little concern before.
Although the gap will be now where near what it is currently. Personally I'd just scrap the salary cap and have a break even cap, then Championship clubs can spend up to their revenue.
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