Having more than 2 countries capable of winning would be nice!

You mean the 'Canes? Crusaders are ChCh based?

Secondly, it was a massive mistake to play the Test in Parramatta... the city isnt exactly starved of top line rugby league. Massive opportunity lost to take the game to a market like Perth or even Adelaide. I'm sure the state governments would have thrown some extra coin in on top of the gate.

Thirdly, the tele is terrible rag. However Ritchie does make a point. A competitve England would see bigger crowds for international rugby league not just in Australia, but back here and in New Zealand.

didn't look like much of a day for either on Sunday in sydney!

Having had access to a free corporate box for their entire season but not bothering...even though it involved free beer, it was an easy mistake to make

2 posts that explain why, if the International Board are made up of people like Old Dear and Dally, the game has gone backwards outside of the domestic competitions and SOO.
1.

Now please do correct me if I am wrong, but since 1995 when the game of Union went "openly" professional, the IRB have managed to....turn the RUWC into the 4th largest GLOBAL sporting event with regard to revenue and TV Viewing figures as well as creating a World Sevens Tour that every year generates further revenue for their Dublin based bank accounts. As such, although the same 4 teams are always in the frame for the RUWC, teams like Samoa and Fiji have an opportunity to do well and grow the game in their countries and teams like Kenya often upset the odds in the 7's format. In reflection, League on the international stage has at best stagnated and probably gone backwards.........but hey, we have nothing to glean from the IRB


2.

The problem with always looking behind you Dally M is that you often blindly walk into things. The rich history of League should never be forgotten, but in the 60's there were no satalite dishes, TV was relitively new in the southern hemisphere and corporate sponsorship was very thin on the ground. Whilst I have no doubt that you are the oracle when it comes to all things League in the 20th Century....you really have not a clue how business works in the 21st....and make no mistake, RL is now a business and it is fighting with other businesses for the disposable income available......and by this, I mean globally, not just on your Island.

The simple fact is that the ARL or international organisation or whomever is in charge of this 4 nations comp either didn't bother marketing the game last weekend or believed that all they had to do was announce a KO time...either way, they dropped a boll0ck and I would argue that whilst England/GB's Demise of recent years hasn't helped, the sign of a successful business is that it does well all the time...even when it has to use the "hard sell".

Face facts OD/DM........League on the international stage is less appealing than international/compromise-GAA rules football.....a game played by amateurs in one of the only 2 nations to watch it. The game last week was shown LIVE in America on 2 networks.......and attracted 3 times as many people to attend it......

I have no doubt I will be called an ARLT or a Union Troll or some other purile name and my PM inbox will receive the usual stupid comments...but unless you can highlight how any of the above is not true, I suggest you go and post on another thread...or even better, another site....because you really do nothing than hark back to the good old days, quote TV figures when it suits you but devry them when they don't and cut and paste stuff from a local Sydney rag.

Lastly, as an Irishman it is my duty to support Anyone But England....but certain posters on here make this weeks game a toughie in that respect even though only one team will win.

It's a no brainer for this Sunday Gutters

'Old Dally Darlin Messenger' is a pom .... so you can safely go for the roos

international RL is bigger than union in australia by a long way

its funny seeing how ignorant you are here

the best union game is a bledisloe.

nz vs aus in a RL test gets double the tv viewers.

DOUBLE.

Pretty much what I expected........INTERNATIONAL RUGBY UNION AND INTERNATIONAL RUGBY LEAGUE ARE...ER.....WELL....INTERNATIONAL! Hope that clears that one up.
Was it my use of the word GLOBAL that stumped you?



....almost as funny as your failure to understand that on the Global Stage......Union is 4th....League doesn't register or even twice as funny as your belief that Australia is THE WORLD.

.....not really, but as it involves Australia I would expect you to say that



I have no doubt that it does, in Australia and New Zealand....but GLOBALLY Ireland v Australia in a b'stardised game of footie did better...HTH

....yep...and 11,000 bothered to turn up to watch what was essentially a dead game......unlike the numbers that will turn up in Hong Kong to watch a meaningless game of Union.

DM...you need to see the bigger picture. League will survive in Australia and England and will hopefully continue to Grow in NZ, but on a global stage.....by global I mean outside Australia, it doesn't even register when comapered to Union. Not the post of an ARLT or Union Troll.....simply a realistic statement on the comparison of the 2 codes GLOBALLY.

Let's have a wager shall we.........which of the 2 forthcoming world cups in both codes will:

Make more money?
Get a larger GLOBAL TV audience?
Have more Fans at Games?

[size=150I am a league fan, [/sizebut I am also a realist....RUWC 2011 will make RLWC 2013 look like a kids mini's tournament.....

for a league fan you sure spend a lot of time denigrating our international game and bigging up unions

thats why me and others dont take you seriously.

If I worried what people thought of me I would have to change careers...

and as for denigrating league.......all I do is point out the shortcomings of the game. It is part of the path to business success that you first admit your own faults and issues......then and only then can you hope to become more successful at what you do. It's what some "trainers" or "Educationalists' call a SWOT table........it is used by most businesses
If it was left up to you and Old Dear then RL would continue to be MASSIVE in Australia and a regional and marginalised sport in England and New Zealand and not even registering anywhere else....but that would be OK with you because it would be MASSIVE in Australia........







Dilusional, short sighted and suicidal standpoint but not to be unexpected from the only country where the population are more arrogant than the Brits



League is by far the better game.....but until you tell people, invite them to come and see for themselves, ask them what they thought, try to improve the experience, invite them back and keep trying to improve the offering. The worlds largest marketing budget is spent by Proctor & Gamble...it is in excess of US$1 Billion a Year. Some of this money is spent promoting the worlds biggest selling dandruff shampoo which is Head and Shoulders above the rest

....the reason they do this is they say a consumer is a consumer until they buy your product for the 7th time...then they become a customer.
This mentality is the way League needs to go GLOBALLY.......because it is the better game, but people either don't know it or have social stereotypical ideas about it........you need to spend some cash to get some reward.....something the IRB know and understand....something international League need to learn.

The article that started this was poorly written, but you can't argue with the notion that international RL is a joke... And, until England and the RFL get their act together there will only be two teams capable of winning any RL World Cup anytime soon. Was watching the old highlights of GB v Oz during the BBC coverage on the weekend and our back line is embarrassing compared to what/who we had then...

What because of two delegates? Who will be weeded out? Sure, the entire organisation must be abjectly flawed...

Union's world cup is a charade supported by lies. 5.1 billion ring a bell. The IRB's specialty.

GF brought union into it because he brings union into every post.

Moron. You don't know anything except what you just googled.

The comfortable capacity of the SCG for the bulk of the 20th Century was 50,000. Union never had a crowd over that number after rugby league started, rugby league had probably close to 100.

We had capacity crowds for internationals from the beginning of the game in 1908. And no access to the SCG because of union for an extended period (despite being the dominant crowd pulling code by far... sound familiar)

He forgot to pretend he doesn't read our posts that time...

Well said.

Not much I don't agree with. Nice to see someone discussing the issues rather than trying to tell us how wonderful rugby union is...

Without wanting to answer for DM, probably because we had many full-house internationals throughout the 20th Century.

Capacity at Homebush is 80,000: suggests that figure is achievable.

We have had more than three nations vying for the top spot at numerous points throughout our long history.

To pick one (at random), consider the 1954 World Cup. The first rugby world cup of either code by a third of a century.

The five years or so prior to that tournament suggest any of the four nations could have won the tournament. Australia were favourite but didn't make the final.

In the 1930s, there were arguably five top teams with Wales probably the best in the world at certain points.

These things are cyclical as I have noted...Australia lost 30 years straight of Ashes contests at one stage.

He gets places, dates, people and events very mixed up sometimes...

Where? Go on, show me where I said Union was wonderful? You'll have a hard time.....

What I said was Rugby Union is run very well at international level.........Rugby League isn't.
Again Old Dear...you are shown up to have nothing to add apart from theories, unfounded opinions, unfounded accusations of lying, name calling and access to some RL History books.......outstanding work

Nutter of the highest order this one...

Seems to have gone off the rails since he returned from too much sun in Fiji. Allegedly.





To repeat:

1. The union WC is a facade as to its "size". Sounds like little man syndrome.
2. Union effectively stole the idea of a world cup from rugby league. Ours was 33 years previous and their records show they talked about copying it from within a couple of years. Unfortunately for the troll.
3. Union was shamateur since the early 1900s.
4. Rugby league's history and future have nothing to do with union's WC which dates only from 1987.
5. Yes, international rugby league is rebuilding (because of the Super League War). It has nothing to learn at all from union. Any model regarding international sport at world's best practice is clearly the biggest and most powerful sporting model in the world, FIFA. Why look at someone who isn't the best? Waste of time.
6. GF you know nothing about rugby league's history which is why you ignore. History itself tells us why this is dangerous. I suggest you did out a few quotes about it for your own education.
7. Yes, the RLIF is a backward thinking organisation ripe for revolution. Tell me something I don't know...
8. You are an ARLT as your comments about the backward Gaelic football thingy show. Get back to me when they have an international history of playing the same game constantly since 1908.

He is a professional liar as a "marketing man".

Ever watch Gruen Transfer?





ARLT.

Mainly because of the Super League War.

When you ignore something for 15 years, it tends to become a little stagnant.





Fortunately, it is slowly changing, albeit at glacial pace.

But to be fair, is it really achievable, bar pure wishing.

Look at the video of the bicentenary test at the SCG in 1988. How many empty seats at the SFS!!! That was only a decade or so into your dominance. Doesn't appear to make Dally's dreams too achieveable. And that was in the bicentenary year when everything was so pro-aussie it was unbelievable.

Potentially pure fantasy.

See again...another example of how people with a tiny bit of knowledge are dangerous.

I suggest you read a little about how the entire season of 1988 people effectively boycotted the SFS because the funding of the stadium made tickets prohibitively expensive.

It was a poor year for rep game crowds at both Test and Origin level. There are masses of empty seats at the Origin games that year for the same reason.

The year was an anomaly.

i was at that game

if the ashes cricket can get sell outs, so can we.

it comes down to england being as good as us.