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| [quote="rubber duckie":pkvd9v1i]When he’s right. The lad can shift. Top 3 in the club.[/quote:pkvd9v1i]
Really hope he can play a few games without getting another injury. There comes a time when everyone gets fed up of recovering from injury & throws in the towel. He has had such a tough time. Even when he gets back on the field he'll be apprehensive. Best of luck to the lad.
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| I'm glad someone mentioned Wrench; I'm also rooting for him.
He is exactly the sort of centre people say they want to see - mesmerising footwork, puts his winger away - but they bottle it if that player misses a tackle or two.
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| [quote="just_browny":3873itpt]I'm glad someone mentioned Wrench; I'm also rooting for him.
He is exactly the sort of centre people say they want to see - mesmerising footwork, puts his winger away - but they bottle it if that player misses a tackle or two.[/quote:3873itpt]
He has great pace, evasive ability and footwork, and can make space for his winger but as you say his defence lets him down. Presumably why he was dropped by Burgess after round 8 (or was that another injury?).
He is into his 6th season following debut and has played 38 games. This year is a big one for him to cement a place and a new contract.
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| [quote="just_browny":6sgz2997]I'm glad someone mentioned Wrench; I'm also rooting for him.
He is exactly the sort of centre people say they want to see - mesmerising footwork, puts his winger away - but they bottle it if that player misses a tackle or two.[/quote:6sgz2997]
In Wrench and Lindop, we have two centres with vast potential. Here's hoping that they can both stay fit and keep progressing, because if they fulfil that potential they could form an outstanding centre partnership for years to come.
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[quote="The Speculator":21uhbyul]Derek Beaumont now saying that Leigh are no longer in for Sneyd. Perhaps gives the 'Sneyd to Wire' rumour more credence?...
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ma ... -half-back[/quote:21uhbyul]
The issue with signing Sneyd is that we will have three specialist scrum halves, who have no versatility. If Sneyd came cheap this wouldn't be an issue, but I imagine he'll take up a bit of valuable cap space. I think he'd be a solid addition, and would even go as far as saying I'd have taken Sneyd over Leyland (at the time we signed him) for a year or two while we bring Hayes through. However, we've made our signings, and I was actually quite impressed with Leyland on debut.
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[quote="The Speculator":21uhbyul]Derek Beaumont now saying that Leigh are no longer in for Sneyd. Perhaps gives the 'Sneyd to Wire' rumour more credence?...
https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ma ... -half-back[/quote:21uhbyul]
The issue with signing Sneyd is that we will have three specialist scrum halves, who have no versatility. If Sneyd came cheap this wouldn't be an issue, but I imagine he'll take up a bit of valuable cap space. I think he'd be a solid addition, and would even go as far as saying I'd have taken Sneyd over Leyland (at the time we signed him) for a year or two while we bring Hayes through. However, we've made our signings, and I was actually quite impressed with Leyland on debut.
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| [quote="rubber duckie":1uxx8ske]When he’s right. The lad can shift. Top 3 in the club.[/quote:1uxx8ske]
Ashton is definitely faster than him, is Dufty the other?
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| We're not in for Sneyd, i can't see that what so ever. We've got Hayes and Leyland with Ratchford as back up. Sneyd isn't needed.
Talking of Ratchford, has anyone heard how he's doing after his head knock on Friday?
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| [quote="Or thane":2w7gzoms]We're not in for Sneyd, i can't see that what so ever. We've got Hayes and Leyland with Ratchford as back up. Sneyd isn't needed.
Talking of Ratchford, has anyone heard how he's doing after his head knock on Friday?[/quote:2w7gzoms]
Ratchford looks fine in recent training photos released by the club. Good to see.
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| [quote="BOSS HOG":22j981fs]Ashton is definitely faster than him, is Dufty the other?[/quote:22j981fs]
I seem to remember Briers saying (admittedly when Wrench was younger and before injuries) that Wrench was faster than Ashton over 100m from a standing start? Whereas Ashton is faster hitting the ball running, or something to that effect? Or maybe it was the other way round.
I'd have to try and google it. Think it was in the guardian a few years back.
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| Hayes also in the pics…but not running…
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| [quote="easyWire":2acll0t9]I seem to remember Briers saying (admittedly when Wrench was younger and before injuries) that Wrench was faster than Ashton over 100m from a standing start? Whereas Ashton is faster hitting the ball running, or something to that effect? Or maybe it was the other way round.
I'd have to try and google it. Think it was in the guardian a few years back.[/quote:2acll0t9]
Dufty and Wrench would beat Ashton over 50m from a standing start. They both have amazing acceleration. Ashton is no slouch to begin with but he's only really super rapid once he's at full speed because he's more of a rangy runner with a longer stride. We played Wigan away about 3 years ago and Ashton got an intercept. Before he'd got into full flight Jai Field had turned round from running forward and caught him because of how quick he is off the mark.
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[quote="Wires71":uzbi6xn8]Nothing on the table as yet for King according to this article.
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... yond-year/
Personally, I feel with the players we having coming through we can save a massive amount of cap here by letting that remain the case.[/quote:uzbi6xn8]
No way will he be offered anywhere near his current exorbitant wage on his existing contract at Wire.
A lot will depend on whether Wrench can stay fit, has improved his defence and forces his way into the starting 13.
With Lindop on the horizon too, it maybe King will not be offered a deal that he finds acceptable and moves elsewhere?
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https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... yond-year/
Personally, I feel with the players we having coming through we can save a massive amount of cap here by letting that remain the case.[/quote:uzbi6xn8]
No way will he be offered anywhere near his current exorbitant wage on his existing contract at Wire.
A lot will depend on whether Wrench can stay fit, has improved his defence and forces his way into the starting 13.
With Lindop on the horizon too, it maybe King will not be offered a deal that he finds acceptable and moves elsewhere?
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| [quote="BOSS HOG":2j0psege]No way will he be offered anywhere near his current exorbitant wage on his existing contract at Wire.
A lot will depend on whether Wrench can stay fit, has improved his defence and forces his way into the starting 13.
With Lindop on the horizon too, it maybe King will not be offered a deal that he finds acceptable and moves elsewhere?[/quote:2j0psege]
I don't think he is getting anywhere near that anywhere else. He will also have to accept a club lower down the food chain. Maybe his home town Huddersfield?
Warrington can really improve on the starting left and right centre positions occupied by King and Tai, either from within as you suggest, or by recruitment.
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| [quote="Wires71":328hljp5]I don't think he is getting anywhere near that anywhere else. He will also have to accept a club lower down the food chain. Maybe his home town Huddersfield?
Warrington can really improve on the starting left and right centre positions occupied by King and Tai, either from within as you suggest, or by recruitment.[/quote:328hljp5]
Neither King or Tai offer that much to the Wire attack as individuals but are good defensively and make good yards in the early tackle count.
It`s a shame that we missed-out on getting Wardle from Huddersfield as there was a player exchange deal that should have been sewn up with King moving there. The players that Wigan sent there in the Wardle deal were both inferior to King. .
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| [quote="Wires71":2ejx3esn]I don't think he is getting anywhere near that anywhere else. He will also have to accept a club lower down the food chain. Maybe his home town Huddersfield?
Warrington can really improve on the starting left and right centre positions occupied by King and Tai, either from within as you suggest, or by recruitment.[/quote:2ejx3esn]
If Tai, Musgrove and Vaughan go, which I think is quite likely, we’ll have at least 3 quota places available. I wonder if we’ve already got things lined up
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| [quote="Wires71":38imqc1j]I don't think he is getting anywhere near that anywhere else. He will also have to accept a club lower down the food chain. Maybe his home town Huddersfield?
Warrington can really improve on the starting left and right centre positions occupied by King and Tai, either from within as you suggest, or by recruitment.[/quote:38imqc1j]
I wouldn't be surprised if we went back in for King if he ended up being available. I get the feeling Keighran will head home and Eckersley may well be given the shirt but Eckersley can also cover wing and fullback and whereas now they have Miski, Keighran and Eckersley fighting for 2 spots on the right hand side, they'd then have Miski, Eckersley and King. All just a guess but he was very popular in his time at Wigan by all accounts and did a great job for us.
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| [quote="BOSS HOG":8k15okqn]Neither King or Tai offer that much to the Wire attack as individuals but are good defensively and make good yards in the early tackle count.
It`s a shame that we missed-out on getting Wardle from Huddersfield as there was a player exchange deal that should have been sewn up with King moving there. The players that Wigan sent there in the Wardle deal were both inferior to King. .[/quote:8k15okqn]
it's true what you say, but I feel we need more if we are to win a Grand Final which will involve us finishing #1 or #2 after the regular season. The attacks that involved Tai getting his hands on the ball typically ended with him running diagonally to the touchline, hitting the brakes and being tackled as he cut back in. King, whilst not a natural wingers centre, has a bit more of an idea but lacks pace. We also stopped the high kicks to him for some reason.
Perhaps you can have one yardage/defensive centre like that in a side, but not two. Our best side in decades (2011) had Matt King and Bridge as centres. Both potent attacking players.
I'm not sure Wardle was ever a long term opportunity for us, superb centre as he is - he does it all.
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| [quote="Kevin Turvey":21sxcd0i]If Tai, Musgrove and Vaughan go, which I think is quite likely, we’ll have at least 3 quota places available. I wonder if we’ve already got things lined up[/quote:21sxcd0i]
It wouldn’t surprise me if we don’t fill our quota next season.
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| Byrne in and Vaughan out, so even if we did keep Musgrove (hope not) and Tai we'll have 2 quota spots, As Yates will not count on the quota if the new rules come in to affect next year.
I think King will have to take a pay cut next year regardless of where he goes so we very well might keep him. Unless as said in previous comments, Wrench and Lindop develop well this year and can take the centre spots. Will ease our Salary cap and fill our centre spots for quite awhile.
Also i still think Max Wood offers more than Musgrove in every game i've seen. Even though he's smaller he has a slightly better impact than musgrove, has much better skill and plays 2-3 times longer than musgrove, so it could well be Wood who takes his spot. And i hope Luke Thomas gets some game time this year, and can build on what we saw before his injury. And we have Green and Whitehead in the wings, so fingers crossed they continue to develop.
All in all i think we're looking good long term
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| Spoke with Liam Byrne tonight, he confirmed that he has signed for Wire. The deal is the same he was offered at Wigan, so you have done well there.
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| [quote="BOSS HOG":2r3mmh9k]Neither King or Tai offer that much to the Wire attack as individuals but are good defensively and make good yards in the early tackle count.
It`s a shame that we missed-out on getting Wardle from Huddersfield as there was a player exchange deal that should have been sewn up with King moving there. The players that Wigan sent there in the Wardle deal were both inferior to King. .[/quote:2r3mmh9k]
Huddersfield and Warrington got mugged by Wigan. I can’t believe that neither club tied him down
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| I'd start Wrench and Lindop now, but I'm not Sam Burgess who needs to win games, just a fan who likes exciting players.
King did fit perfectly into the Wigan system and they expected him to play a solid game, we expected him to be a world beater.
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| [quote="Zig":3j8a68ab]Huddersfield and Warrington got mugged by Wigan. I can’t believe that neither club tied him down[/quote:3j8a68ab]
It was wide spread media that Wardle had already agreed to go Wigan before he came to Warrington on that strange swap deal.
It was lightly rumoured Wire had tried to get Wardle out of his agreement to Wigan, how I don’t know.
Although Carvell managed it once.
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