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| Overrated? No.
Over worked? Absolutely
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Overrated? No.
Over worked? Absolutely'"
Yes, far too much work on his shoulders.
Which is why we need another good prop.
Wouldnt be suprised if he did have a bust up with Potter, as i would be p*ssed off doing the work of 3/4 other props.
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| Graham is easily superleagues best prop.
I'm not sure his game will ever quite carry over to the international scene in the same way because even though that unbelievable effort is always there he looks physically smaller then some of the Aussie/Kiwi props.
He's a good player at that level but won't dominate like he does in superleague(where he pi*ses over pretty much everyone).
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| Quote ="richardviking"But it goes Graham > the rest of the Leeds thugs.'"
Says what our back to back Grand Final winning Performances?
Says what our win over them on the 4th September?
Lets be honest the only reason why Saints are rated is because of they consistency in the super league and an obsession of taking Wigan over in a cup competition that was clearly dieing until a much needed revival this year. Saints only won the challenge cup when pretty much no one cared.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Graham is easily superleagues best prop.
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He's isn't. Its very debatable. He's in the top 3 of Himself, Peaock, and Morley who pi55 all over everyone else, but he certainly doesn't pi55 over either of those too. In fact if came down to a bit of fisticuffs I think either of them would wipe the floor with Ginger Spice. Now, I know being able to throw punches doesn't make you a good prop, but if the opposition think they can get away with taking liberties. They will, just ask Fielden.
Ginger Spice had a similar outburst eirlier in the season against Leeds and I think similar situations have occured a few times involving him.
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| What does Morley do that makes him better than Graham exactly? Graham made 5,000 metres or thereabouts in the regular season and Morley 3,500. That is the key stat for prop forwards, they exist to drag your sorry team down the park. You will say it's because Morley's pack is better and stronger so he doesn't need to do as much work. Yet Morley's 'better' pack is 10th in Super League. They have been utter dog dirt all season. Forget the Challenge Cup it's not relevant in the dream team discussion at all. Morley in Super League was very quiet a lot of the time and has failed to lay the platform the likes of King, Monaghan and Briers needed. Graham is an overworked one man pack and people say that is the only reason for his stats, yet Saints are second in the table and have terrible backs. You contradict yourselves so much.
Graham has been incredible this season.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Sinfield is a fantastic captain for the Leeds Rhinos and will put his best effort in week in, week out. When Sinfield is playing at his best heās the best in the world at what he does. Doesnāt stand out too much but he doesnāt get creamed over by the media either.
Wellens has had a bad couple of seasons for my liking but he was at one point one of the best fullbacks in the country despite lacking pace. The sky sports team like with the rest of the saints team did cream over him a bit. He is one of the better saints players though on his day..
Burrows form in 2007 makes your statement look really silly. Man of the match performance in the grand final along with a man of the series performance against the Kiwis. Heās has injuries since then especially this year but by the sound of things Burrow could be up for with England beating the Aussies a number of times in the quad nations.
Iād have to agree with Roby after he undeservingly got the man of steel away ahead of Trent Barrett in 2007 was it? Roby seems to be getting quieter every time against Leeds and I just hope Smith chooses Diskin ahead of him in the quad nations. But I highly doubt he will.
McGuire IMO is the best stand off in the world. A once in a lifetime player that will be impossible to replace when he goes.'"
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| Quote ="Saddened!"What does Morley do that makes him better than Graham exactly? Graham made 5,000 metres or thereabouts in the regular season and Morley 3,500. That is the key stat for prop forwards, they exist to drag your sorry team down the park. You will say it's because Morley's pack is better and stronger so he doesn't need to do as much work. Yet Morley's 'better' pack is 10th in Super League. They have been utter dog dirt all season. Forget the Challenge Cup it's not relevant in the dream team discussion at all. Morley in Super League was very quiet a lot of the time and has failed to lay the platform the likes of King, Monaghan and Briers needed. Graham is an overworked one man pack and people say that is the only reason for his stats, yet Saints are second in the table and have terrible backs. You contradict yourselves so much.
Graham has been incredible this season.'"
How anybody can disagree with that is absolutely beyond me.
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| I reckon Damo has Wet Dreams and the odd nightmare about Saints he's obsessed with knocking them. Poor soul take a Zopiclone.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"
But in the Leeds team we have world class players like Burrow, McGuire, Senior, Sinfield, Peacock, Hall and Webb to name a few. player punching .'"
Our office went into hysterical laughter when we read this bit.
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| In answer to the original question. NO!!!!!
That prize is almost certainly Kevin Sinfield.
It's not that he's a bad player, but over rated definitely and was found out at international level.
And just before the Leeds faithfull (or jump on the bandwagon cos united are rubbish) merchants have a go, there are others in the Leeds team who are far far better than Sinfield.
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| In answer to the original question ... NO.
The question has the word 'ever' in it, there must be literally hundreds of other options.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"It's not that he's a bad player, but over rated definitely and was found out at international level.'"
In fairness he (Sinfield) isn't the only one. Though I would say in Sinfield's defence the GB setup isn't the same as the Leeds setup which is geared to help Sinfield exploit all his qualities (having McGuire and Burrow etc).
I'd also say that Graham isn't head and shoulders above Peacock at all. Given their comparative ages though it would make sense for people to think they would prefer Graham in their team due to the fact he could be around for a lengthy time compared to Peacock.
I do wonder if he is going to get burnt out doing as much as he does though (if he has to do it season after season without the support required).
Similar to what people were saying about Sam Burgess at the Bulls.
Personally though I wouldn't swap Peacock for Graham, biased or not I think Peacock is absolutely quality and what he does for Leeds can't be replaced (Saints fans may say exactly the same about Graham which is completely understandable).
Question for people though....do you think Graham has shown the same sort of form for GB / England as he has for Saints? I've read on these boards before people saying he is too light weight a prop for International level. What do people think?
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Let be honest he only makes them yards because he has to. If Jamie Peacock was in this Saints team then heād have to make all them hard yards that graham does. Weāll only ever get to see how good James Graham is if he ever gets to be in a pack that is as good as that we have at Leeds.
Till then heās just a big fish in a little pond IMO.'"
Damo lad look what you have started now
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| I canāt have an opinion on this board without attracting an opposite opinion can I?
Whatās happened to lets agree to disagree?
Quote ="RossRhino"Question for people though....do you think Graham has shown the same sort of form for GB / England as he has for Saints? I've read on these boards before people saying he is too light weight a prop for International level. What do people think?'"
If heās good enough for St Helens then heās good enough for International rugby league IMO. But that does not make him as good as people make out he is
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| You carnt call Mr surrender overated ,but ya right he is.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Let be honest he only makes them yards because he has to. If Jamie Peacock was in this Saints team then heād have to make all them hard yards that graham does. Weāll only ever get to see how good James Graham is if he ever gets to be in a pack that is as good as that we have at Leeds.
Till then heās just a big fish in a little pond IMO.'"
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| He is just one of many. The Sky Super Duper League hype machine classes most players as 'world class'.
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| Graham is in the top 3 props in super league end of. McGuire, Sinfield, Hall, Burrow world class??? Give your head a shake man! Webb I'll give you
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| People on here really don't get Damo do they?
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