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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Tbh i wouldnt lost too much sleep if we lost Connor. He should be a starting centre but then that means he takes either Tui or Griffins spot and that would be unfair. Hes not an half back but thinks he is - somethings got to give'"
Connor showed in less than 1 half of rugby on Sunday what a great centre he is. I would have thought we would have defended that right edge better in that last 20 too if hed stayed on the field. Imo our best back line is fonua, Griffin, connor and ratu. I like Carlos but connor edges it for me because of what he can do with ball in hand. Carlos Carrie's the ball out of defence way better though and connor doesnt usually bother
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"in that case, Maybe a "Pearson out" thread would be more effective?'"
You start one and I'll devote my life to defending him to the hilt
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"You start one and I'll devote my life to defending him to the hilt'" I reckon I could put a case against him, if I just ignore his positives, and focus solely on his negatives.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"I reckon I could put a case against him, if I just ignore his positives, and focus solely on his negatives.'"
Tbf you've not giving any positives for keeping Radford, just excuses for why we lose.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"I reckon I could put a case against him, if I just ignore his positives, and focus solely on his negatives.'"
Yeah, but I'd have a whole raft of postitives, not just a couple
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| It is getting tiresome watching Hull Fc fail after 3 years of the same, all talk and no action.
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| AP on LinkedIn reaching out to Nigel Pearson to chat with LR. Lee is not going anywhere anytime soon.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"AP on LinkedIn reaching out to Nigel Pearson to chat with LR. Lee is not going anywhere anytime soon.'"
Advice on avoiding relegation?
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| Pearsons as clueless as the Allams. You can add Hudgehill to this list too
Im starting to think Pearson is a slightly better version of Kath Hetherington - both have won silverware - both utterly clueless at times - both knew/know how to milk the fans
How longs Pearson been here - 8, 9, 10 years - we look as far away from being a grand final winning side than when he first arrived
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| Quote ="hull2524"you do talk some sense sometimes but other times you talk some utter s.hit'"
Indeed!
AP has invested MILLIONS of his own money, never sold anyone just to make a few quid and is probably more frustrated than anyone. Anyone criticisimng AP does need to give their head a significant shake.
We were talking last night during the televised Leeds training session, why would AP and Hudgell (and the rest) invest when TWP just throw money aroind and still can't even show up with the basics.
I can honestly see TWP's first win being their home game in Canada, against US!
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Pearsons as clueless as the Allams. You can add Hudgehill to this list too
Im starting to think Pearson is a slightly better version of Kath Hetherington - both have won silverware - both utterly clueless at times - both knew/know how to milk the fans
How longs Pearson been here - 8, 9, 10 years - we look as far away from being a grand final winning side than when he first arrived'"
This is an all time low, even for you
Just don’t bother supporting.
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| Who knows where we would be without Pearson. Everyone should be grateful to him for the money he has put in and what he has done for the club.
That said, his seemingly unstinting loyalty to Radford and Last is a huge source of frustration.
He took over after FC fans had suffered years of Agar and the unending excuses that came with that regime. I really thought those days were over under AP. When he was involved with City he was perhaps a bit trigger happy, but now he's swung in completely the other direction. It's a blind spot that's really holding the club back in my view.
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| Quote ="TheSmokingVicar"Who knows where we would be without Pearson. Everyone should be grateful to him for the money he has put in and what he has done for the club.
That said, his seemingly unstinting loyalty to Radford and Last is a huge source of frustration.
He took over after FC fans had suffered years of Agar and the unending excuses that came with that regime. I really thought those days were over under AP. When he was involved with City he was perhaps a bit trigger happy, but now he's swung in completely the other direction. It's a blind spot that's really holding the club back in my view.'"
That is a view I can agree with, IF the slump continues and AP dowsn't act, THEN is the time to even [ibegin[/i to think about criticism, certainly not now.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"
How longs Pearson been here - 8, 9, 10 years - we look as far away from being a grand final winning side than when he first arrived'"
By daring to criticise the messiah you've sparked the inevitable calls for you to be burned at the stake but it would be interesting if people actually addressed their opinion on this point honestly.
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| Quote ="Lang Park"By daring to criticise the messiah you've sparked the inevitable calls for you to be burned at the stake but it would be interesting if people actually addressed their opinion on this point honestly.'" of course he's entitled to his opinion. But we have honestly disagreed to it. Simples really
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| Quote ="Lang Park"By daring to criticise the messiah you've sparked the inevitable calls for you to be burned at the stake but it would be interesting if people actually addressed their opinion on this point honestly.'"
I'm sure if you dip into your millions and make AP an offer, he'd be very interested.
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| Well be really good in those few games where we have every player fit and available
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| So hang about, some of you think Pearson been a resounding success then?
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Performances - no different from under Hetherington
Attendances - No different
Cups - 2 CCs for Pearson, 1 CC for Hetherington (+ a GF)
Playing staff - Compare the McRae (1st time round) team to our current team - is the current one better? I dont think so
Coaching team - Hetherington choices had its ups and downs - McRae was great first time round, Sharp was out of his depth (even if he was a nice bloke yawn), Agar was dire - Pearsons - Gentle - out of his depth - Radford poor to start, had a two year purple patch now been dire for three years
Background/support/trainng facilities - Hetherington badly let us down in this area, Pearsons thrown the kitchen sink at supporting the coaching team yet were no better than the grossly underfunded mismanaged Hetherington era
Pearson has put everything in place for us to be a top side yet has relied on a coach who simply hasnt got the skills to make us a top side - that is criminal and shows clear incompetence on Pearsons part
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| Quote ="IR80"I'm sure if you dip into your millions and make AP an offer, he'd be very interested.'"
Instead of responding with sarcasm why don't you give your honest opinion and reasoning to the following question "Do we look any closer to being a Grand Final winning side than at the time Pearson took over?" I'd be genuinely interested to hear this.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"So hang about, some of you think Pearson been a resounding success then?
Lets go through a list
Performances - no different from under Hetherington
Attendances - No different
Cups - 2 CCs for Pearson, 1 CC for Hetherington (+ a GF)
Playing staff - Compare the McRae (1st time round) team to our current team - is the current one better? I dont think so
Coaching team - Hetherington choices had its ups and downs - McRae was great first time round, Sharp was out of his depth (even if he was a nice bloke yawn), Agar was dire - Pearsons - Gentle - out of his depth - Radford poor to start, had a two year purple patch now been dire for three years
Background/support/trainng facilities - Hetherington badly let us down in this area, Pearsons thrown the kitchen sink at supporting the coaching team yet were no better than the grossly underfunded mismanaged Hetherington era
Pearson has put everything in place for us to be a top side yet has relied on a coach who simply hasnt got the skills to make us a top side - that is criminal and shows clear incompetence on Pearsons part'"
If Hetheringon etc stayed, we would have been close to going bust, be similar position to Bradford or Widnes.
No way would we have won two cups Pearson has been great for Hull, has he made mistakes yes and his loyalty to Radford worries me. We are in a better place on and off the pitch, ok we arent quite were we want to be, but it miles away from the Kath/Rule and Agar era.
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| Quote ="Lang Park"Instead of responding with sarcasm why don't you give your honest opinion and reasoning to the following question "Do we look any closer to being a Grand Final winning side than at the time Pearson took over?" I'd be genuinely interested to hear this.'"
I'd say yes
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| Quote ="Dave K."If Hetheringon etc stayed, we would have been close to going bust, be similar position to Bradford or Widnes.
No way would we have won two cups Pearson has been great for Hull, has he made mistakes yes and his loyalty to Radford worries me. We are in a better place on and off the pitch, ok we arent quite were we want to be, but it miles away from the Kath/Rule and Agar era.'" Im not disputing they ran us into the ground but even though they did we achieved just as much under them as we have under Pearson
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| Quote ="Lang Park"Instead of responding with sarcasm why don't you give your honest opinion and reasoning to the following question "Do we look any closer to being a Grand Final winning side than at the time Pearson took over?" I'd be genuinely interested to hear this.'"
What does a Grand Final winning side look like?
Salford made the final last year and could have won it.
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| Quote ="Lang Park"Instead of responding with sarcasm why don't you give your honest opinion and reasoning to the following question "Do we look any closer to being a Grand Final winning side than at the time Pearson took over?" I'd be genuinely interested to hear this.'"
Dave K pretty much covers what I would write...
Quote ="Dave K."If Hetheringon etc stayed, we would have been close to going bust, be similar position to Bradford or Widnes.
No way would we have won two cups Pearson has been great for Hull, has he made mistakes yes and his loyalty to Radford worries me. We are in a better place on and off the pitch, ok we arent quite were we want to be, but it miles away from the Kath/Rule and Agar era.'"
but I would also add (to underli e DaveK's point) that Pearson has invested heavily in the off the field side of the club, he has brokered a much more positive relationship with KR and many of the other SL clubs, we aren't, as a club, in the shadow of Gary and the RFL, OK the joint academy didn't work out, but at least he tried something new.
The two regimes are incomparable in my view.
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| Quote ="IR80"
The two regimes are incomparable in my view.'"
Performances and results say otherwise despite Pearsons big investment
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