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| For those bemoaning the disruption, we have had our first choice spine available for all games with the exception of Houghton v Leeds which, ironically, was our best performance. No excuses for our ongoing inability to unlock a defence
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| [list[/list:u Quote ="Jake the Peg"For those bemoaning the disruption, we have had our first choice spine available for all games with the exception of Houghton v Leeds which, ironically, was our best performance. No excuses for our ongoing inability to unlock a defence'" We're in second place for try assists. 1 less than leaders Wigan. So we must be unlocking them somewhere. And our top three players with assists are Connor, Sneyd and Kelly (3 in his one and only game)
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"[list[/list:uWe're in second place for try assists. 1 less than leaders Wigan. So we must be unlocking them somewhere. And our top three players with assists are Connor, Sneyd and Kelly (3 in his one and only game)'"
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Even you must see we are seriously poor in unlocking a defence in the opposition 20.
Maybe bring Purtill in as your assistant coach for some fresh ideas and let Last coach the reserves
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"How many seasons do we just press the reset button though?
It's not about sock washing but just sick of the same old failings.
Something has to give surely?
I do want a successful season and a competitive team but as yet this season is just a continuation of what has gone on before.'"
First, let me say, I am on the fence, leaning to the change side re Radford.
However, to suggest we haven't had recent success, is just plain blind to the facts.
As has been said, what happens in the next 5/6 games will point the way to how successful this season will be.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Lee
Even you must see we are seriously poor in unlocking a defence in the opposition 20.
Maybe bring Purtill in as your assistant coach for some fresh ideas and let Last coach the reserves'"
Time for Last to make it on his own in the wide world of employment IMO. If Radford ever does go, it's equally important that last isn't retained.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"This is when I know that I'm winning the debate.
I can see you coming around to get back on the Radders train, it's just your pride and having to admit you are wrong, that's standing in your way right now.'"
You're winning the debate in same way Corbyn claimed to have done after the last election.
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| Quote ="TheSmokingVicar"You're winning the debate in same way Corbyn claimed to have done after the last election.'"
or a KR "moral victory"
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| Quote ="bonaire"Lee
Even you must see we are seriously poor in unlocking a defence in the opposition 20.
Maybe bring Purtill in as your assistant coach for some fresh ideas and let Last coach the reserves'" Was you the one who wants to have Griffin on the bench as cover?
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| Quote ="TheSmokingVicar"You're winning the debate in same way Corbyn claimed to have done after the last election.'" Have you been at the funny fags, Vicar?
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Our second row partnership of Ma'u and Jones have played once together so far, Leeds away. Savelio, who started like an house on fire, has missed the last 3 games. Satae has missed two of the five, Kelly has only played once. Faraimo has missed 3 of the 5 games, Ratu has only played two and half games, Swift only 2 games. Bowden, Ellis, Houghton and Carlos have all missed a game each, and Connor has missed half a game. And we were very close to being 3 wins from 5 during a tough run of fixtures. And we're in the plus for points difference. You don't need to panic just yet, we're not going as badly as it seems.'"
Your point is valid but it seems that it's been like this for some seasons now. Always a plethora of injuries to numerous players.
Why is it that we seem to have so many? It's been the same under different conditioners so it can't just be that they're being overworked in the gym.
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| Quote ="Lang Park"Your point is valid but it seems that it's been like this for some seasons now. Always a plethora of injuries to numerous players.
Why is it that we seem to have so many? It's been the same under different conditioners so it can't just be that they're being overworked in the gym.'"
Have we, actually, been worse off than any other team?
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| Wonder if Fitzgibbon fancies the job
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Wonder if Fitzgibbon fancies the job'"
doubt it
[url=https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/hull-fc-form-paul-cooke-3910380Cooke agrees it is a must win[/url
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| Imagine losing the Wakefield game ?
I have lost interest
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Imagine losing the Wakefield game ?
I have lost interest'"
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| This is what happened under Agar and we had a much worse squad and never lost by 70 points
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| Quote ="spegs"Same here, my apathy worries me.'"
Apathy has also crept into the club..
Doesnt help when the owner, states "[iAs long as Iām chairman here I canāt foresee ever making a change in my coach. I trust him implicitly and heās done a great job for me[/i.ā"..
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| Decision needs yo be made soon, if Radford stays fully expect Shaul and Houghton to get 3 year contracts whilst losing Jake Connor.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Apathy has also crept into the club..
Doesnt help when the owner, states "[iAs long as Iām chairman here I canāt foresee ever making a change in my coach. I trust him implicitly and heās done a great job for me[/i.ā"..'" in that case, Maybe a "Pearson out" thread would be more effective?
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| Quote ="Uppo58"I'm not an advocate of sacking Radford. I agree that for 2 seasons our performances have not been acceptable, with some massive defeats and a record equalling run of defeats. It doesn't read well.
However, Pearson has listened to Radfords plan, offloaded heavily and replaced with what looks like some great new recruits.
So having been given the baton, Radford has to be given the chance to run with it. The first game showed that this team can play, and yet despite a narrow win against a good Rovers, the few injuries that we've suffered seem to really rock us, which questions our strength in depth I suppose, particularly when key men are out.
The performance against Catalans is the worrying one for me, in that we had the game won with 20mins to go. So Radfords game plan can work and we were good for 60 mins and looked like we'd go on to score more points. The massive issue for me is more about the mental strength of the squad as a whole. Its an absolutely critical factor. Thinking a game is won before it actually is has become a habit at Hull FC. Whereas champion teams in that position squeeze the foot on the throat even harder.
But because teams know we are weak mentally, teams feel they are never beaten with Hull FC. They always feel they can come back at us. We give them that belief because ours is so weak, time after time. Its real and present. Its becoming our trademark.
So, because it is clearly a collective problem the responsibility ultimately is Radfords to eradicate this softness that is part of our team make-up. If he can instil a mental strength, where the team think and behave as one, often lead by a captains inspiration and his ability to demand bodies are on the line, then we can really do something. Because I do believe we have the talent to still have a great season.
But there has to be a huge mindset change, there has to be a change of captain, there has to be a feeling of oneness on the pitch and a willingness to defend every gain line with total controlled ferocity.
If we can do that, because Radfords is able to instil that missing, never-say-die killer instinct into his team then we can quickly recreate our early optimism. But if he can't I would give him 10 matches, and if he cant rectify our quite pathetic mental strength that incredibly just cannot last for 80 mins. he'll be gone.'"
That's a good balanced post.
We are going in circles now. I aren't happy with Radford in charge, I could reel off all of the things I want to see us improve (on and off the field), but it's been done to death now. He isn't going to be going anywhere just yet, so let's see what the next month brings with a nice fixture list and a close to full strength team. Pearson isn't stupid, if we aren't performing to an acceptable level then he will act sooner or later.
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| Quote ="Uppo58"I'm not an advocate of sacking Radford. I agree that for 2 seasons our performances have not been acceptable, with some massive defeats and a record equalling run of defeats. It doesn't read well.
However, Pearson has listened to Radfords plan, offloaded heavily and replaced with what looks like some great new recruits.
So having been given the baton, Radford has to be given the chance to run with it. The first game showed that this team can play, and yet despite a narrow win against a good Rovers, the few injuries that we've suffered seem to really rock us, which questions our strength in depth I suppose, particularly when key men are out.
The performance against Catalans is the worrying one for me, in that we had the game won with 20mins to go. So Radfords game plan can work and we were good for 60 mins and looked like we'd go on to score more points. The massive issue for me is more about the mental strength of the squad as a whole. Its an absolutely critical factor. Thinking a game is won before it actually is has become a habit at Hull FC. Whereas champion teams in that position squeeze the foot on the throat even harder.
But because teams know we are weak mentally, teams feel they are never beaten with Hull FC. They always feel they can come back at us. We give them that belief because ours is so weak, time after time. Its real and present. Its becoming our trademark.
So, because it is clearly a collective problem the responsibility ultimately is Radfords to eradicate this softness that is part of our team make-up. If he can instil a mental strength, where the team think and behave as one, often lead by a captains inspiration and his ability to demand bodies are on the line, then we can really do something. Because I do believe we have the talent to still have a great season.
But there has to be a huge mindset change, there has to be a change of captain, there has to be a feeling of oneness on the pitch and a willingness to defend every gain line with total controlled ferocity.
If we can do that, because Radfords is able to instil that missing, never-say-die killer instinct into his team then we can quickly recreate our early optimism. But if he can't I would give him 10 matches, and if he cant rectify our quite pathetic mental strength that incredibly just cannot last for 80 mins. he'll be gone.'"
It's a good post but I disagree with two of your conclusions.
1. Your argument about Radford assembling the squad meaning he has to be given more time. That argument works with signings of the type that Powell and Watson often make, misfits and rough diamonds that they polish up into something much better, a new coach might come in and see nothing in them at all. FC though have got a great squad that any good coach should be able to work with.
2. The expectation that Radford might somehow bring about a huge change in mindset and mental strength. The bloke has been there seven years and hasn't managed it yet. I don't see how there can be any reasonable expectation that he's going to do it now. In fact he's far more likely to be a cause of the mental fragility than a cure for it.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"in that case, Maybe a "Pearson out" thread would be more effective?'"
No, because Adam has done a lot for the cliub, and continues to do so. radford has done sweet FA for three years.
i can only assume you are related to him.
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| Quote ="TheSmokingVicar"It's a good post but I disagree with two of your conclusions.
1. Your argument about Radford assembling the squad meaning he has to be given more time. That argument works with signings of the type that Powell and Watson often make, misfits and rough diamonds that they polish up into something much better, a new coach might come in and see nothing in them at all. FC though have got a great squad that any good coach should be able to work with.
2. The expectation that Radford might somehow bring about a huge change in mindset and mental strength. The bloke has been there seven years and hasn't managed it yet. I don't see how there can be any reasonable expectation that he's going to do it now. In fact he's far more likely to be a cause of the mental fragility than a cure for it.'"
Totally agree with your post.. 100%
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| Quote ="weaver93"Totally agree with your post.. 100%'"
I think most FC fans do.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Decision needs yo be made soon, if Radford stays fully expect Shaul and Houghton to get 3 year contracts whilst losing Jake Connor.'" Tbh i wouldnt lost too much sleep if we lost Connor. He should be a starting centre but then that means he takes either Tui or Griffins spot and that would be unfair. Hes not an half back but thinks he is - somethings got to give
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