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| Quote ="captaincaveman"icon_smile.gif probably not, but a lot can happen in 3 years, which trophies were wigan and warrington winning 3 years ago?'" Name the year one of them to clubs won a major trophy! NOT A NL1 ONE
I think you was still a twinkle in your dads eye when that happened
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| Quote ="pyeman"I wasnt having a dig mate just trying to clear things up for the poster i qouted, i'm just saying as far as i am aware only wakey will be using it, sorry if i'm wrong.'"
But you haven't cleared anything up , you suggested that Widnes were fortunate to have a council that was willing to build a stadium that they could use , and that your council won't build a stadium for you to use , which is not true , is it ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"But you haven't cleared anything up , you suggested that Widnes were fortunate to have a council that was willing to build a stadium that they could use , and that your council won't build a stadium for you to use , which is not true , is it ?'"
Well Wakefield council will not build even one stadium for all 3 clubs in the district to share, so all the other teams with council funded stadiums are very fortunate.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Well Wakefield council will not build even one stadium for all 3 clubs in the district to share, so all the other teams with council funded stadiums are very fortunate.'"
So Newmarket is a totally private venture ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So Newmarket is a totally private venture ?'"
Grants are from Sport England I believe, WMDC has nothing to do with either stadium development.
The closest they have come to offering financial help is letting the clubs LOAN up to £2m from a bank with the money secured against council owned land.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Grants are from Sport England I believe, WMDC has nothing to do with either stadium development.
The closest they have come to offering financial help is letting the clubs LOAN up to £2m from a bank with the money secured against council owned land.'"
And yet it will be the Wakefield community stadium ?
Have they underwritten it ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"And yet it will be the Wakefield community stadium ?
Have they underwritten it ?'"
It will only be the Wakefield community stadium because it has community facilities and is (just) in Wakefield.
The council chose not to fund either project as it didn't want to get involved in paying for stadia which will be used by private companies.
In fact, when they offered a feasibility study for both sites for which one they would back (which Wakefield refused to take part in) all they were going to do IIRC was shift the other teams £2m land loan into the other project.
Glasshoughton is/was going to be a community stadium too because the club offered to put in facilities the council could use and take the profit from whilst being run by the club (like moving the swimming baths to the stadium site for example)...the council NEVER replied to the club.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"It will only be the Wakefield community stadium because it has community facilities and is (just) in Wakefield.
The council chose not to fund either project as it didn't want to get involved in paying for stadia which will be used by private companies.
In fact, when they offered a feasibility study for both sites for which one they would back (which Wakefield refused to take part in) all they were going to do IIRC was shift the other teams £2m land loan into the other project.
Glasshoughton is/was going to be a community stadium too because the club offered to put in facilities the council could use and take the profit from whilst being run by the club (like moving the swimming baths to the stadium site for example)...the council NEVER replied to the club.'"
Who has underwritten it ?
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"a letter of invitation was sent to all sporting clubs in the district as i recall, some chose to be involved others including cas chose not to.'"
We refused the feasibility study and we are the bad guys, its true because its been well documented on here and in the press.
Little details like this are just going against the flow and should be ignored.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Who has underwritten it ?'"
IA would be able to give you chapter and verse as he has done a lot of work on the project, but I believe it is the developers Yorcourt and their backers who have underwritten it.
Obviously, if you want to concrete over a large part of the County, then it makes sense to offer the council/locals something in return.....hence a new Community stadium! Could just as easily been a swimming pool, but given Wakey folks traditional views that water is the tool of the Devil, that would seem a bit of a none starter.Whether Wakey Council take on resposibility if/when it gets built I'm not sure. Wildcats, or AN Other would probably be the anchor tennants, and simply pay rent to the council, in much the same manner as the majority of their supporters.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"IA would be able to give you chapter and verse as he has done a lot of work on the project, but I believe it is the developers Yorcourt and their backers who have underwritten it.
Obviously, if you want to concrete over a large part of the County, then it makes sense to offer the council/locals something in return.....hence a new Community stadium! Could just as easily been a swimming pool, but given Wakey folks traditional views that water is the tool of the Devil, that would seem a bit of a none starter.Whether Wakey Council take on resposibility if/when it gets built I'm not sure. Wildcats, or AN Other would probably be the anchor tennants, and simply=#FF0000 pay rent to the council, in much the same manner as the majority of their supporters.'"
So a council stadium , in much the same way as the LSV , the Stobart ,the keepmoat , Galpharm and KC
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| Yes, I cannot honestly see the developers wanting the hassle of running the place once they have finished putting up all the warehousing, so I would expect the council simply to say, Thank you very much, and pats on the back all round.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino":21z8m0unYes, I cannot honestly see the developers wanting the hassle of running the place once they have finished putting up all the warehousing, so I would expect the council simply to say, Thank you very much, and pats on the back all round.'" end up running and recieving rental from the Newmarket stadium , then the council have provided that stadium
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| would not pay too much attention to billy starbug, he is merely amusing himself with a bit of friendly banter.
its not going to be built or run by the council. it will be run and operated by the community trust.
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"would not pay too much attention to billy starbug, he is merely amusing himself with a bit of friendly banter.
its not going to be built or run by the council. it will be run and operated by the =#FF0000community trust.'"
So the council then
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| Quote ="Starbug"
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I could be wrong but i dont think the community trust has anything to do with the council, and iirc is listed as a charity.
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| Quote ="Starbug"
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No, a trust run by Sir Rodney Walker in the case of Wakefield.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"No, a trust run by Sir Rodney Walker in the case of Wakefield.'"
Who picks up the ' tab ' if there is a shortfall between income and expenditure ?
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| Well I knew we couldn't make it to a full week after the licence announcements before the Cas/Wakefield stadium conversation came up.
Cas situation: awaiting planning permission on Wheldon Rd so that funds to build the approved stadium at Glasshoughton can be released
Wakey situation: awaiting the results of a public enquiry before submitting for full planning permission
Neither licence was granted on the promise of new stadia.
I hope that clears it up, but I'm sure idiots will continue to spout nonsensical rubbish on here about the subject.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Who picks up the ' tab ' if there is a shortfall between income and expenditure ?'"
Not the council. It is nothing to do with them.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So however you look at it , if the council [ or a council company end up running and recieving rental from the Newmarket stadium , then the council have provided that stadium'"
No. The developers will have financed and built it. Wakey Council members will be queing up if/when it's completed to get their faces on TV come opening day. Whilst happy to pick up any kudos going they will not want to be stung for any extra financial outlay incurred by the beastie.
I suspect that a part of the service charge on the acres of new Wharehousing/businesses will be ring fenced to pay for the running of this Astrodome, but to ensure there's clear water between it and Wakey council, there will be some sort of Community Quango set up to take the fall if it all goes tits up.
Wakey Council will of course have a big say in its operation, and naturally all those extra rateable properties will be contributing to their coffers.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"No. The developers will have financed and built it. Wakey Council members will be queing up if/when it's completed to get their faces on TV come opening day. Whilst happy to pick up any kudos going they will not want to be stung for any extra financial outlay incurred by the beastie.
I suspect that a part of the service charge on the acres of new Wharehousing/businesses will be ring fenced to pay for the running of this Astrodome, but to ensure there's clear water between it and Wakey council, there will be some sort of Community Quango set up to take the fall if it all goes tits up.
Wakey Council will of course have a big say in its operation, and naturally all those extra rateable properties will be contributing to their coffers.'"
All this assumes that the revenue from the site will provide enough income to pay for the running of the stadium
Basically it is either a private venture , ie there will be somebody who will either make profit , or lose money
Or run by a council co , and it will be them that stands any shortfall
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I think this is the first skeleton to emerge!
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at- ... _1_3705297
Quote However the Yorkshire Post can reveal that it was under-budgeted by several hundred thousand pounds, forcing the project to go back out to competitive tender and raising fears it may not go ahead.'"
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www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at- ... _1_3705297
Quote However the Yorkshire Post can reveal that it was under-budgeted by several hundred thousand pounds, forcing the project to go back out to competitive tender and raising fears it may not go ahead.'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"
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False. Inaccurate. Erroneous. Amiss. Incorrect. Awry.
I can't think of any more ways to tell you that you're wrong. I can however think of one really good way to tell you that you're an idiot - you're an idiot.
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| Quote ="bren2k"False. Inaccurate. Erroneous. Amiss. Incorrect. Awry.
I can't think of any more ways to tell you that you're wrong. I can however think of one really good way to tell you that you're an idiot - you're an idiot.'"
Call me all you want
But it is still a simple question
All this assumes that the revenue from the site will provide enough income to pay for the running of the stadium
Basically it is either a private venture , ie there will be somebody who will either make profit , or lose money
Or run by a council co , and it will be them that stands any shortfall
In any venture like this , there HAS to be somebody that will ultimatley sign the cheque , who will that be ?
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