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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I dont know if Leigh are the worst ever SL team, only time will tell on that one.
However, compared to other clubs, they've certainly had the least time to prepare for the top flight, which is a huge disadvantage, especially for the first part of the season.
It's difficult to know who would be available but, I might have expected more in the way of players coming in, although, there may still be time..
Having said that, I'm sure that their application for the "golden ticket" will have said that they were absolutely ready and able to compete.
[uWould they have been better trying to gain promotion through the GF and then recruiting [/uin the usual manner or, was this a chance too good to pass by.
Also, would any of the other applicants have fared any better. Again, only time will tell.'"
Great post Wrenners . With only less than 2k fans turning up at the LSV, the proof is in the pudding but, it looks like that the pudding doesn't taste good, hence the attendance. I agree with the part i have put in bold and underlined in your post. Having said that hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Great post Wrenners
. With only less than 2k fans turning up at the LSV, the proof is in the pudding but, it looks like that the pudding doesn't taste good, hence the attendance. I agree with the part i have put in bold and underlined in your post. Having said that hindsight is a wonderful thing.'"
I've said before that, if/when Leigh get their best 13/17 on the pitch, they will win some games and still believe that they will.
The debacle at Toronto, coupled with covid and basically no Championship rugby last season made the situation extremely difficult and in fairness, there was no certainty of Championship rugby this season, which would have been an absolute killer.
Therefore, as you rightly say, Leigh had no choice but to throw their cap in the ring.
Personally, I think that Fev, on the basis of the GF defeat the previous season, were "heir apparent" and really the SL spot should have been theirs to refuse.
Having said that, with the depth of DB's pockets and Leigh's ability to be able to start and finish the season, it's easy to understand why they got the nod.
Leigh have some great fans and an excellent ground and I hope that you can some how survive, obviously not at Trinity's expense
Enjoy the rest of the season and hopefully, I may get to watch Your lads take on the Mighty Trin at your place.
I'll buy you a pint if we do
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| Well Degsy certainly wasnt expecting them to be this bad. In his interview with Brain Carney before the 1st game of the season he said that after 6 games no one would consider Leigh relegation candidates and they would be comfortable in mid table at that point.
Yet here we are 11 games in they are winless conceeding 38 points a game on average
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I've said before that, if/when Leigh get their best 13/17 on the pitch, they will win some games and still believe that they will.
The debacle at Toronto, coupled with covid and basically no Championship rugby last season made the situation extremely difficult and in fairness, there was no certainty of Championship rugby this season, which would have been an absolute killer.
Therefore, as you rightly say, Leigh had no choice but to throw their cap in the ring.
Personally, I think that Fev, on the basis of the GF defeat the previous season, were "heir apparent" and really the SL spot should have been theirs to refuse.
Having said that, with the depth of DB's pockets and Leigh's ability to be able to start and finish the season, it's easy to understand why they got the nod.
Leigh have some great fans and an excellent ground and I hope that you can some how survive, obviously not at Trinity's expense
Enjoy the rest of the season and hopefully, I may get to watch Your lads take on the Mighty Trin at your place.
I'll buy you a pint if we do
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Can't disagree with that mate. Now then, Sun 12th September with a 3pm kick off, I'll be in the Centurion Pub @ 1pm to receive my pint off you. Hopefully we can talk about both Leigh & Trin surviving the drop. No doubt Trin will tho.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Or we can just slag of your pie eating neighbours
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Of course, be rude not to.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Accepting they were thrown in last minute on half budget with no SL players available to buy, are they the worst ever SL team?'"
No Championship team should have accepted the offer to play in Super League this season.
It was stacked against any club going up at such short notice and with only half the TV money that other Super League clubs get
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| Quote ="Poky"Leigh recruited for the championship expecting to be playing there so itās a bit unfair on them.
I would say, over the length of SL based on a number of factors like league finish, support, stadium, quality of academy etc itās easily out of Wakefield and Salford for worst ever SL team'"
Why do you do it ? does getting a response equal a pull off ???
New stadium grand finalists challenge cup finalists made the playoffs, all from a team who's playing group is so poor the rest of the money teams strip our playing assets season after season after season, what would these clubs with elite acadamies do without us Convict boy.
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| Promoting them has been completely pointless. Brought no new TV viewers or sponsors to the table. They were always on a hiding to nothing and given the situation its not like they've been able to welcome thousands of fans in. Any players who have performed well will fancy their chances of finding an SL club when they contract becomes void with relegation and Leigh are back at square one.
Would have been far better to have gone with 11 teams this year, spread the million pound out to help with Covid losses. Could have made the team one the 'bye week' be on standby until say Wednesday night to help with the covid disruption.
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| It was degsy's ego that made him take promotion when it was so stacked against. It wasn't forced on him so I don't have a lot of sympathy other than for the fans.
On the point of staying up, hkr have done it twice so it's possible, giving a years grace just makes an uneven competition more uneven
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Accepting they were thrown in last minute on half budget with no SL players available to buy, are they the worst ever SL team?'"
We know you have an obsession with Leigh Centurions, but surely this question can only be answered at the end of the season, but you already knew that, eh ?
If we don't win one game, then most definitely.
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| Quote ="barham red"It was degsy's ego that made him take promotion when it was so stacked against. It wasn't forced on him so I don't have a lot of sympathy '"
Hang on - several club chairmen applied to get that SL place so why single out Mr. Beaumont?
That spare place in Superleague attracted a string of chairmen including some whose teams had even less chance of survival than Leigh.....
"Ego" doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Several chairmen saw it as a good move. The question is Why??
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| Promotion and relegation isn't working but Leigh really were up against the it before a ball was even kicked.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Hang on - several club chairmen applied to get that SL place so why single out Mr. Beaumont?
That spare place in Superleague attracted a string of chairmen including some whose teams had even less chance of survival than Leigh.....
"Ego" doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Several chairmen saw it as a good move. The question is Why??'"
Add those in as well, the only possible reason I can think anyone would have gone for this was either, misplaced hope of being competitive or a belief promotion / relegation would be scrapped.
The sensible move was to hold back, fund this year's squad and push for promotion. Leigh along with the others had virtually no chance of competing this year with the hand they've been dealt.
This year could push leigh back 3 years in reality
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"We know you have an obsession with Leigh Centurions, but surely this question can only be answered at the end of the season, but you already knew that, eh ?
If we don't win one game, then most definitely.'"
I can still see Degsy doing celebratory forward rolls in-front of the Leigh players when the announcement came though of Leighs successful 500 page bid! I suspect (Listening to his rant at the weekend) that he's now wishing he had sent a blank piece of paper to the RFL.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I can still see Degsy doing celebratory forward rolls in-front of the Leigh players when the announcement came though of Leighs successful 500 page bid! I suspect (Listening to his rant at the weekend) that he's now wishing he had sent a blank piece of paper to the RFL.'"
I wouldn't be surprised if Robert Elstone was the biggest Champion of having Leigh in Super League. As a business man Degsy should have seen the pit full's of going into Super League under the conditions that they did. Also as well there are rumours going around that some Leigh players have already been tapped up by some other clubs for next season.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I can still see Degsy doing celebratory forward rolls in-front of the Leigh players when the announcement came though of Leighs successful 500 page bid! I suspect [u(Listening to his rant at the weekend)[/u that he's now wishing he had sent a blank piece of paper to the RFL.'"
Which will now mean more fans saying F*** It
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| Quote ="Cokey"Which will now mean more fans saying F*** It'"
What did he say?
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| Quote ="RagingBull"What did he say?'"
I know I'm fuelling your fire, but this is the crux of it. That was Beaumont's response after some Leigh supporters posted on social media, accusing him of 'sticking 2 fingers up' at the Leigh fans in the north stand, because some of them booed the team off at half time. So it looks like the allegations were true.
"I shall not be in here to read the responses to this but I am going to defend my players coach and staff. To suggest they do not care and have no effort is an absolute disgrace. The people who boo please do not come if you have a season ticket and want a refund let me know by contacting the ticket office with your details and I will personally come and swap it with you for cash. You are not a supporter of our club. People need support when they are at their lowest ebb not when they are succeeding. To those who say we should buy players please tell me which supermarket I may go and buy them from and I will pop in and pick them up. You donāt see the hard work and individual detail put in by everyone. We will succeed because we stick together and keep being the best version of what we can be as that is ultimately all we can do. I know that will be enough and the real supporters of our club will do the same and those that arenāt we care not for".
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"I know I'm fuelling your fire, but this is the crux of it.
That was Beaumont's response after some Leigh supporters posted on social media, accusing him of 'sticking 2 fingers up' at the Leigh fans in the north stand, because some of them booed the team off at half time. So it looks like the allegations were true.
"I shall not be in here to read the responses to this but I am going to defend my players coach and staff. To suggest they do not care and have no effort is an absolute disgrace. The people who boo please do not come if you have a season ticket and want a refund let me know by contacting the ticket office with your details and I will personally come and swap it with you for cash. You are not a supporter of our club. People need support when they are at their lowest ebb not when they are succeeding. To those who say we should buy players please tell me which supermarket I may go and buy them from and I will pop in and pick them up. You donāt see the hard work and individual detail put in by everyone. We will succeed because we stick together and keep being the best version of what we can be as that is ultimately all we can do. I know that will be enough and the real supporters of our club will do the same and those that arenāt we care not for".'"
I kinda agree with him - but the leaving,by mutual consent,of a # Super League Ready head coach,recently,makes the statement slightly disingenuous.
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| Quote ="barham red"Add those in as well, the only possible reason I can think anyone would have gone for this was either a misplaced hope of being competitive or a belief promotion / relegation would be scrapped. The sensible move was to hold back, fund this year's squad and push for promotion. Leigh along with the others had virtually no chance of competing this year with the hand they've been dealt. This year could push leigh back 3 years in reality....
It's not just Leigh though. Several clubs apparently had a misplaced hope of being competitive..........
Do we think York, London or Bradford could have been more competitive than Leigh?? But as it stands they could all have been open to even bigger hammerings than Leigh are getting right now. Perhaps Superleague don't care as long as someone fills the gap. IIRC back around 2014 London came bottom of SL and shipped in over 1200 points across regular batterings. They didn't beat anyone other than a Leeds reserve side.
So you offer a possible reason that maybe P & R is going to be off the agenda? I suppose that fits with the possibility that Superleague will change things 2022 when the new SKY deal comes in. Some time ago I recall Lenegan & co talking about not having P & R every year, but every other year to give clubs a chance to build in Superleague, rather than the poisoned chalice of straight back down.
But nothings been said on that. The only other thought I have is the future of Salford, with their risk that they will have no ground next year? It's not a nice thought but if Salford fail does Beaumont move in on their players? Intriguing.....
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"
" People need support when they are at their lowest ebb not when they are succeeding. To those who say we should buy players please tell me which supermarket I may go and buy them from and I will pop in and pick them up. You donāt see the hard work and individual detail put in by everyone. We will succeed because we stick together and keep being the best version of what we can be as that is ultimately all we can do. I know that will be enough and the real supporters of our club will do the same".'"
The reply to fans Beaumont makes about him not being able to buy players who are not there is in a way fair enough.........
But if he is open to such questioning then the real question that should be asked of him is why, when there were no players to buy, and when it was inevitable that Leigh would struggle badly, did so many clubs grab at this chance Not just Leigh, some of whom would probably be getting even bigger hammerings than Leigh are getting now.
Half a dozen clubs clamoured for a season of slaughter in Superleague..........
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| Quote ="Donnyman"The reply to fans Beaumont makes about him not being able to buy players who are not there is in a way fair enough.........
But if he is open to such questioning then the real question that should be asked of him is why, when there were no players to buy, and when it was inevitable that Leigh would struggle badly, did so many clubs grab at this chance Not just Leigh, some of whom would probably be getting even bigger hammerings than Leigh are getting now.
Half a dozen clubs clamoured for a season of slaughter in Superleague..........
Why??'"
To show willingness. While many people thought this 'promotion' was a poisoned chalice,(with SL looking for a patsy club to relegate to protect the vested interests of the established SL teams, in reasons financial and time-based), if the clubs HADN'T gone for it then they would have been accused of not aiming for the top.
I think Leigh or Toulouse were the best-placed clubs to take this SL place; but nevertheless, they would both have been on a hiding to nothing. The timing and stipulations of the promotion made that clear.
I could see it knackering Bradford finally if we had got the nod, something which so many wise sages on here foresaw. I'm glad these soothsayers were wrong.
But I hope it doesn't knacker Leigh. We need more vibrant teams, more competition, not less. Rigging the promotion to protect the status-quo does the sport no good at all.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Accepting they were thrown in last minute on half budget with no SL players available to buy, are they the worst ever SL team?'"
Sanctimonious defray.. You carry that title.
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