I cant see why wilkin would make your starting 13 he wouldnt be in my 17.Have your wheels fell off or what?

my pack would be graham,roby,morley.westwood.peacock.ellis. subs carvell.jjb.sinfield (to give roby a rest.).ablett.

Ellis is a good player but dropping two players for him and playing Australia with 16 men is probably going a bit far

It's undoubtedly a strong pack you have chosen (although Peacock hasn't played SR for years and is now 33!), but it isn't the right pack for this particular game.

You are swapping and changing the team far too much, and it would unsettle the team unit that has got used to playing as a unit over the last month.

Ellis for Heighington is the only change I would make for the Final.

I'd have to drop Widdop, the rest of the team are in good enough form and the game time he has had up to now doesn't justify inclusion. Furthermore it's been a tough two weeks and I think it would be better to have an extra forward. Heighington is an easy scapegoat from the stats and the T-Rex missed tackle but he can break the line and has got an offload in him and we're going to need that.

You really havent got a clue .Peacock playing Prop/Second row really doesnt matter you still take the ball in regardless.The only difference is you pack down differently, and scrums have literally gone out the game now.So peacock could play second row.

Sorry, you can’t go around accusing people of not having a clue when they say that peacock can’t play second row. Second row is not about where somebody packs down, it is about their positioning and contribution in attack and defence. Maybe Peacock can take the ball in as a second rower but he wouldn’t add the pace and mobility in attack that Wilkin, Ellis, JJB, Heighington and Westwood offer and (far more importantly) he doesn’t have the mobility to defend wider than prop these days – he would be taken apart on the edges

Put it this way – Tim Sheens would love McNamara to pick Peacock in the second row

Tell McNamara to get 3 props on the park at once then and see how we get on.

And you have completely missed my point about a consistent squad selection too.

I really don't have a clue don't I?

I think I'll end this conversation with you now.

totally disagree with you matey.......we.ll see how great wilkin sinfield perform on saturday.lets see if mcbanana can polish 5hit.

Wilkin is pretty good just outside the ruck area and coming into 2nd phase attack play, think thats why he always gets picked in the 17. If you want him to make hard yards then you can't pick him, but I seem to remember he has made at least one try scoring play in every match.
If you want Carvell in, it would be better dropping Morley, but that would stop Morley's 50th appearance, so Carvell misses out for me.

I think a grafting player is exactly what england need! Leave the fancy stuff to sinfield, roby and wilkin, the impact runs and big hits to Ellis, peacock, carvell or Morley, and the grafting, hard work to graham and heighington!

But Heighington isn't actually good at the grafting. He drops off of many tackles and is slow moving around.

Wilkin and JJB have not let themselves down at all. Neither deserve to be dropped.
Ellis in, Heighinton out.

But heighnington plays in the NRL. The best competition in the universe where all players are superhuman and the coaches have special magic powers. How can he be dropped with those credentials?

His name on TRL is SaintGav.... he's also a part time Leeds fan too. In fact, he's got his fingers in a lot of pies

If fully fit, Gaz Ellis plays. One of the best back row forwards in the world.
Chris Heighington makes way - no brainer.
Jon Wilkin moves to loose forward with JJB on the bench.

Graham
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
Westwood
Wilkin
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JJB
Morley
Carvell
Widdop

Strongest pack we've had since the tournament began.
Wilkin offers more in attack than any other forward, something we may need. Strong defender too - I don't understand the stick he gets.
The rest are all no brainers, we must have two props on the bench. JJB has been so strong coming off the bench. Gaz Widdop should play to cover injuries/offer an alternative in attack should we need it. The Aussies will have Cooper Cronk playing the same role.

Very strong England side there. I'm looking forward to it.

Jamie Peacock receives some flack from sections of the England supporters, but this bloke still cuts it at the highest level - all on one leg too.
Look at his stats:

16 carries
127 metres
2 tackle busts
26 tackles made
0 missed tackles
0 errors
0 penalties conceded

He epitomises everything I like about RL players JP. Top effort.

Carvell will miss out.

Going into the series, I questioned Wilkin's inclusion (and I'm a Saints fan who thinks he's brilliant for our club), thinking he's too lightweight for test rugby but he's looked pretty good imo.

Heightington, I had big hopes for, I'd heard tales of a real warrior who's a rock for the Tigers. I wouldn't say he's been awful, but he hasn't done anything that (for instance) Paul Clough couldn't.

I would expect the Banana to drop Carvell, as that is in line with his original thinking. I'd be tempted to drop Heighno the Rhino, since Carvell chipped in with some effective runs last week, although he did give away that silly offload.

drop heighington.....he offers absolutely bog all

11. ellis
12. westwood
13. wilkin

14. widdop
15. morley
16. carvell
17. JJB

we need carvell on the bench to whack holes in the aussie defense

There will be little space on the Elland rd pitch, grunt needs to meet grunt hence Carvell is a must, just hope Roby is waiting for his offloads and not Sinfield with his back turned.
Wilkin looks light for this game, but what if Ellis moves into centre and Yeaman is dropped?

he's not going to move ellis to ......

Carvell, he'll stick with his first formula and I don't think Carvell did anything last week to change his mind

Drop Westwood, he's a penalty machine at international level. Penalties will be the reason we will lose against Aus especially with an Aussie ref, Westwood will be pinged all day long.

Quote ="THECherry&Whites"Drop Westwood, he's a penalty machine at international level. Penalties will be the reason we will lose against Aus especially with an Aussie ref, Westwood will be pinged all day long.'" Out of all of our forwards, only Graham, Morley and Peacock made more metres than Westwood. He's a tough tackler and makes good metres. No way should he be dropped. Stats link from page 1 www.thescore.com.au/matches/nrl/match11780.html

Quote ="THECherry&Whites"Drop Westwood, he's a penalty machine at international level. Penalties will be the reason we will lose against Aus especially with an Aussie ref, Westwood will be pinged all day long.'" Out of all of our forwards, only Graham, Morley and Peacock made more metres than Westwood. He's a tough tackler and makes good metres. No way should he be dropped. Stats link from page 1 www.thescore.com.au/matches/nrl/match11780.html

There's always one poster who goes beyond all reason - have your medal

I was disappointing with Westwood in the first game, gave away some stupid penalties, but played well apart from that and had a great game last week.

Yeaman had a good game last week, and to play Cudjoe who hasn't played for over a month in the final against Australia would be stupid.

Like other Heighington for me, not sure why he playing for England there are plenty of other SL forwards who are as good or better than him not in the squad.