think he is joking Andy

And the 'Jumping The Gun' prize goes to Andy Gilder

It won't be announced today will it? I thought today was to hear evidence and then they go away and make a decision.

6 points and 5k fine. Got off lightly imo

6?!! I'm sure the good Doc will think twice about getting his sums wrong next time...yeah right! The breaches might've been from 14' and 15' but to then announce the signing of a top winger on the same day? Big two fingers up at the RFL

No details of how Salford broke the cap and by how much...

6 points is the maximum punishment under the rules that they broke. IF they are found to be breaking the rules this year and beyond, it's a maximum of 20

It doesn't matter if its 6, 20 - or 100. Once the Middle 8's start, the slate is wiped clean and they start on zero along with everyone else.

Now deducting points from their Middle 8's points total would be a deterrent....

The lack of increase in SC at least in line with one of the indices used (inflation for instance) has all the hallmarks of an unenforceable contract/inclusion term given the restrictions it brings about.

Also it could be proposed that the lack of increase has a detrimental effect on player welfare.
The lack of a wider player depth often has clubs playing players that are injured and clubs reluctant to rotate players because of the lack of depth so are more susceptible to fatigue and thus injury.
You also have situations of player drain, whether to another sport or leaving RL to find another career due to the small amounts paid to many junior/lesser experienced players.
This does and has had an overall impact on RL across the board and strangles the sport, not having big name stars makes SL less attractive to sponsors also.

Saw koukash said they might have made a mistake or two but had definitely not done anything wrong. Does he not understand the meaning of the word mistake? Hahaha

The problem is we haven't been told the details of in what ways Salford broke the cap and by how much.

If they broke it by a lot or there were numerous "Puletua" contracts that hadn't been declared then I think they've got off very lightly.

However if they've only broken it by a bit then it's probably about right.

Without the details we've really no idea how much of a punishment it is.

If Magic SuperBeetle is right and 6 points was the maximum possible punishment then they haven't got off lightly. They've received the maximum
Reports say they were found guilty in regard to payments involving 3 players over 2 years and exceeding the finite cap in one year and not guilty in relation to payments to 2 other players

So you want to effectively relegate them and ruin the livelihoods of a bunch of players who had nothing to do with it.

I don't care what the rules said, if they've broken the cap by a lot I'd regard a 6 point deduction as lenient. I've also not seen anything in the rules about salary cap breaches and the punishment for it, but then they might not be published.

Again, without the details, we can't tell whether it's an effective punishment or not. If they broke the cap by £10k then it is. If they broke the cap by £1m then it's not.

And what about the 2 team's who did get relegated the year Salford broke the cap...

To be fair the 2 relegated teams were way behind Salford in 2014. They'd have to have been given a 14 point deduction to take them below Bradford to 13th place.

No we would probably still have gone down. But Salford earned those points with a squad they shouldn't have had. Take some of those players out would they have acquired as many points? Who knows.

It's not a punishing the players though is it - it's a penalty against the club for breaking the rules; if that has any detrimental effect on players or supporters, there's only one person to blame for that, and he doesn't work for the RFL.

As a Salford fan I'm happy to take the punishment now we've been found guilty but I've got to agree we need more detail into the reason why. If other clubs in the future break the rules how can you judge as to whether they're then treated fairly.

From my understanding no media or public (though I agree witht that) were allowed into hearing, why?

Also I thought the Salary Cap was LIVE and the RFL monitored it constantly, so how come this goes back to 2014 season?

Then increase the fine? £250k fine with £100k suspended. If it happens again then the £100k suspended will be added on to the next one. He doesn't have money to burn like he thinks he does, and rich people hate throwing away that amount of money.

If you want that argument to stand up, you would have to scrap relegation altogether.

A points deduction with the current system, just means they are more likely to finish in the middle 8's, at which point they will start on level points with clubs who haven't tried to cheat the system, which is unfair on them.

The current squad may not have benefited from any "extra" payments but, some of those involved previously would be well aware that they were not being paid in a "proper" manner.

Clearly, anyone who thinks they are suffering as a result of this should take out their anger with the club owner and any other parties that were involved in the mele.

The salary cap is LIVE and the RFL do monitor it closely. But Salford hid payments and didn't declare them on the cap. Breaking the cap was a deliberate act by Salford, and there was a deliberate attempt to cover them up. The worrying thing is if puletua hadn't come clean due to his dispute over payments none of this would have been found out. It's tough on the current Salford players- some of whom were complicit but not all. But he person to blame is Koukash.

It's a live cap, but when the owner buys his players 100k cars at Christmas, there has to be repercussions.

Good for us anyway, so thanks.

Cheating the cap gives unfair competitive advantage - so competition points are deemed to be an appropriate penalty; it's very clear in the rules and every club owner will be aware of it.

But the difference in central funding between SL and the championship is more than £250k. So you're not punishing them as if they cheat and avoid relegation, they are financially in a much stronger position than if they played by the rules and got relegated.