gateshead.
toulose.
widnes.
halifax.
oldham.
featherstone
leigh
donny
sheffield

i hate soccer, its an english sport.

its why i like RL, its become an australian sport.

and if you think id spent 5 minutes looking at the avatar to work it out, i dont.

seriously, i believe you support cas. well done

You dont much about the game over her do you? try keeping your eyes open and your mouth shut and people wont laugh at you so much

Hull KR averaged 3500 in NL1 and are now over 8000 in SL.

Fax are 2500 in NL1 so id say they would get well over 5500 in SL, especially if they had as much time as wakey and were coming 5th. the shay is a better ground than belle vue, even if the east stand isnt finished.

If you think all of those could average 5,500+ in SL, you're deluded.

so your argument is basically so say nope and then conclude you are correct?

yeah, very scientific.

Hull KR are also in a massive city with a lot of fickle fans who came out the woodwork on the back of promotion. Not only that, but they also had a lot of deserters who remember the history of Hull KR as a club. There is no wonder they average that. They should.

in SL i think :

1. widnes - 7000 minimum.
2. toulose - 7000 +
3. gateshead - 5000 - 8000
4. halifax - 5000 - 7000

etc.

Lets judge Wakefield's attendances at the end of the season eh?

I am quite confident we will end up over 6k by the end of the season.

wow. that would be fantastic. well done

widnes and halifax have a lot of history too.

when gateshead were in SL they got around 3000 which was close to the average back then. the SL average is now 9000 or so, so im thinking they should at least get 6000 +.

being in SL clubs have more money for marketing, they get more media and the away support is a hell of a lot bigger.

adding 3000 + fans isnt that hard, especially under franchising where clubs have 3 years to grow their crowds rather than facing relegation 1 year after being promoted, undoing all the hard work

But then you could compare Salfords average last season and this and they haven't made any great leaps (yet before anyone says!)

But the only way we will ever know what teams will get in a certain situation is if they are there, every club will have too many varying factors for people to try to guess imo.

1. Widnes - in SL pushed between 6k and 6.8k, without showing any real major increases or decreases. They may just scrape over the barrier into 7k this time, but I cannot really see them developing an higher average with much bigger clubs nearer such as Warrington.

2. Toulouse - No chance. They will never get 7k. Require a few years in the National Leagues first, and need a lot of off-field work to do.

3. Gateshead? They barely get 900 in NL1. SL status may bring in more, but can't see them getting above 3k tbh.

4. Fax are a tricky side. They've got a very stable fanbase, and they may get over the 5k barrier.

First ever superleague game Widnes achieved 8,900 and other attendances that season exceeded 9,000. Shame we couldn't push on after our first season but even in our last year when we were relegated we averaged just under 7000.

Any one know what gateshead achieved many years ago when they were in SL?

We should only be admitting teams that have got a realistic chance of getting 7-9,000. That should be our min standard we are aiming for imo.

Fax are averaging 2000 whilst top of the league and only having a cuople of loses all season. Put them in sl and watch them get hammered for a few seasons whilst they get upto pace and they lose fans simple as, fax would get about the same as salford in sl. Come on with your extensive knowledge of british rl surely you can tell us how much fax averaged alst time in sl?

How do you know that? Didn't they get 4200 for their last game against Halifax?

See my earlier post mate.. we have major plans afoot which will see a big increase in attendances from as yet local untapped areas.

Not having pop at Fax here but last time in SL their crowds were dreadful,many below 2000.Admittedly they did have a poor season winning only one game.

A number of the clubs have been in sl and didnt get what you seem to think they would in sl, some of them average less than 1000. If you said the moon was made of cheese i would probabley just say nope to. i dont have enough time to explain why an idiots wrong everytime they something stupid.

What did we average in the first year of SL? must have been close to the 8k mark.
Get 3 years behind us in SL and i believe we could exceed at least 8-9k average if not more.

They were awfull - but the team we had at the time was made up of players brought up through the academy and a couple of expierenced (but not very good!) pros. Surely thats what licences are all about? Bringing players through the youth system without the threat of relegation?

Nope. 6510, then 6511, 6153 and 6794. Hence why I said consistent.

being in yorkshire they will get much more away support than salford.

its all opinions and im sticking with mine.

just the games against leeds and bradford will be massive.

and the shay is a far better ground than the willows which will attract both away and home fans.

Spot on on both points. All clubs have to work on bringing in new fans to replace the current set. It's very noticeable at say Rochdale or Hunslet where I'd say most fans are a generation older than the players with very few kids & teens present.

I don't think Widnes will get regular 10k+ crowds without a lot of work. Just pointing out that it's a perfectly reasonable 2-3 year goal to set the club's marketing team, which doesn't require them to make big inroads into Liverpool, North Wales & South Cheshire.