Bravo on completely missing and proving my point at the same time.

Erm no I haven't. You've come at it from the point that if people were calling for Hardaker's head then they should do the same for Carney. I reversed that saying if Hethrington backs Hardaker then he has no moral right to judge whether any team should sign Carney.

FWIW i don't think most posters on here called for Hardaker to be kicked out of the game at all. Most said he should get a long ban as punishment for his misdemeanour's.

Hardaker didn't do anything the second time around, that was Hetherington's stance and he hasn't been proven wrong therefore he is not being hypocritical and has every right to make a judgement on a serial offender. Our did you miss the bit where the RFL dropped the investigation against Hardaker?

"[iCarney has now been banished from three NRL clubs for offences varying from peeing into his own mouth whilst being photographed, driving under the influence, nightclub evictions, damaging a vehicle (for which he received a 12-month suspended jail sentence) and drinking during club-imposed dry periods. Alcohol and stupidity are the reoccurring themes.

He's never called anyone a **** on camera though.[/i"

Hardaker didn't have to do anything the second time to be honest, what he did the first time was bad enough. It is a bit galling for Hetherington to take this stance. Carney clearly has a problem with his behaviour when alcohol is present. I would think that a move away from the lime light of the NRL would probably help him. Surely at a time when the quality of super league is decreasing at a rate, the opportunity to have one of Australias best playing would be welcomed.

Hetherington also has to be careful, what if Hardaker was to make another comment, or other members of the Leeds side were to misbehave, I take it that they would be out the door and he would be banging the drum for banning them from the sport?

Which is why I said he was investigated. Hardaker is a serial offender. He got kicked out of the World Cup squad for being an idiot and then was banned for homophobic language. GH complaining about Carney signing for Catalan is like McDonalds complaining about Burger Kings burgers being bad for you.

They're what!?!?!?!

well, why not? It's what every f*cker on here wanted.

If there is a double standard from hetherington, then theres also a massive double standard from a large majority of the holier than thou mob on here that have gone from condemning hardaker for one remark to defending carney who has a worse rapsheet.

Funny that.

Why do I think that if hetherington praised the signing, we'd see the opposite from people on here?

[i''Typical of hetherington to back such a signing given the players he has, we don't want players like this in super league look at his rap sheet! sponsors will pull out, blah blah f*cking blah''[/i

I think that is kind of Hetheringtons point. He has consistantly complained about the image of our game portrayed by signing banned/de-registered NRL players. He thinks there should be a hard and fast rule against them.

We should have a hard and fast rule, either banned players cannot play in SL, or if you get a visa play on.

However that isnt what we have now, which is a situation where the Dragons have registered a contract and the RFL are thinking about whether or not they will accept it but it shouldnt be someones decision who can and can't play in SL.

What a surprise another childish dummy spitting response from FlexWheeler.



As for Hetherington - "Outspoken Leeds rugby league boss Gary Hetherington has reportedly urged clubs to oppose Todd Carney's move to the Super League, saying it will tarnish the competition's reputation."

Tarnish the competition - so what did Hardaker's ban and investigation do, enhance it?

Personally FLex I think you should calm down on the swear dodges.

Nobody suggested that Hardacker should not be able to play RL. Or that Leeds or any other club should not be able to sign him following his tirade at Warrington.

Even on the suspicion at Leeds, no one suggested he can't play again.

So there is no comparison.

Wrong!! Most on here wanted him to be given a lengthy ban, which is exactly what happened. Carney has been stopped from plying his trade in the worlds premier rugby league competition. A slightly harsher punishment don't you think?

Hetherington is wrong on this, plain and simple.

Did it? I thought he had no case to answer, despite what the intelligensia on RLFans, Twitter and Facebook decided after watching a 10 second Vine video that clearly showed nothing.



Why was he stopped? Must've been something really bad for that to happen don't you think?
I wonder what you and the rest of the RLFans lynch mob would do if ZH was caught drink driving, given a suspended jail sentence for violence and had photos all over the web of him pi$$ing into his own mouth. This forum would go into meltdown!



I agree to some extent, if it's true then he's not gone about it the right way at all.

Why didn't GH ask for Dog Boy at Warrington be banned from playing in SL?

Because he isn't a repeat offender, it was just a silly mistake and he is unlikely to reoffend and attract bad press to Super League while he plays over here.

Just a quick one.

A few days ago this story used "Garry Hetherington HAS SUPPOSEDLY...."

Then it turned into "Garry Hetherington HAS ALLEGEDLY....."

Now its "Garry Hetherington HAS REPORTEDLY...."


So has he ACTUALLY done this? Has ANYONE seen this email? Has anyone any proof? or has someone found the correct buttons to push on the internet for 3/4's of the RL one-eyed brain trust to break into the usual ill informed mouth frothing session?

I've seen horoscopes with more facts in them.

Well yes, he was given a five match ban for homophobic abuse!

I like most would be in uproar if Hardaker or any player had committed these offences, however, you cannot get all high and mighty about a player coming into the comp when some of your own have done time for very similar offences. Its either all players are squeaky clean and we root out the offenders, or we allow all players to participate. You cannot simply pick and choose.

If is the the key word here, my feeling is that since Hetherington hasn't come out and denied the allegations, that there's probably something to this.

And i'm sure you were in uproar a month or so ago while Hardaker was being subjected to weeks of abuse over something he didn't do.
And how come you're not in uproar about Carney potentially playing in SL ?

Classic one eyed hypocrisy.

But this isn't about easthullwesty. For all you and I know, easthullwesty and many other posters might not want Carney playing for their club or in SL at all. That is not what's being debated here. The whole debate is about how hypocritical GH is if what's been reported is true.

FWIW when Carney was linked with my club, I was dead set against him signing like most other Rovers fans. However i wouldn't begrudge him playing in SL just like I wouldn't want Hardaker stopped from playing in SL.

Not at all, and you are completely missing my point. Firstly, I was one of the few who didn't comment on the second alleged Hardaker indiscretion. At all. I didn't see the incident so how could I?

Secondly, my point is that you cannot pick and pick and choose who you allow to play. There are plenty of players in the league who have done time, committed violent acts or done things that have caused embarrassment to themselves, the game or their clubs. Often all three!

Hetherington has no more right to tell clubs not to sign Carney, than I do to say that we should boycott playing Leeds until Ryan Bailey is kicked out the sport. Its absolutely ludicrous. You either let everyone play, or no-one play. Picking and choosing is a very dangerous precedent to have, especially when you have a player in your ranks that has just been banned for homophobic abuse.

At last!!!!! someone who gets it.

There is a pretty big difference between standing by your players when they havent behaved, and importing those who are only available because their behavior has seen them banned from another competition.

You are drawing a false equivalence between two entirely different situations.

And you can pick and choose who you allow to play, we do it all the time, and in fact this is happening right now. The reason Les Catalans havent announced Carney's signing yet is the RFL have refused to ratify it so far.

Hetherington has said (consistantly) that SL should not be signing players who are banned from the NRL, whether that be Greg Bird, Todd Carney or any other player "deregistered" from the NRL. Right now that decision is taken on a case-by-case basis by the RFL. He is arguing for a hard and fast rule saying they shouldnt.

Now you may disagree with that, but the actions on Leeds in respect of Bailey, Hardaker or anyone else not deregistered from a competition are entirely irrelevant.

But that's my point, Carney was sacked for his misdemeanour whilst Hetherington has stood by his. I've no doubt that Carney's previous had a hand in his current situation rather than the one off incident of 'peegate', however, in my mind Leeds would have been perfectly justified in sacking Hardaker for his homophobic comment, yet didn't.

All I am saying is that you cannot draw comparison between one offence and another, they are all offences. You either let all players who have commited them play, or none of them.

That s just nonsense really isnt it. Should we treat a player who got a speeding ticket the same as one who drink drives? A player who got in to a scrap the same as one who stabbed someone?

There are obviously offences of a different nature which would require a punishment of different severity.

Leeds could have sacked Hardaker, that they didnt is nothing to do with not wanting SL to import players banned from the NRL. There is no link here.

None of Hardaker, Bailey or any other leeds player or player signed by Leeds have been banned from playing in a different competition.

If that is the case then why didn't GH complain when Monaghan signed for Wire? He was sacked by his club and no other club was allowed to register him in Aus so came over here.