That video (the facebook one v Keighley, not the one v Sharlston) doesn't show anything too dramatic and certainly doesn't confirm the involvement of spectators, as claimed on Keighley's website. I'm not for a minute saying there wasn't more that went on but it'll be hard for the RFL to determine how bad the events were if that's all they have to go on.

I'd be pretty sure they'll be a ref report, perhaps independent observations from the stewards/police and submissions from the clubs involved, if any further investigation is required.

They'll be a match video

Fair enough, let's hope the authorities do what needs doing.

Ban em. All of em involved. Ban the coaches. Ban the club officials. The club as a whole placed on warning. Any, even slight, disciplinary issues for violence in the next 10 years and the club will be banned from every league in the country.

It's well beyond time that plenty of amateur players, coaches and club officials are kicked out of the sport. They won't be missed.

Amen to that.

I wonder how many of those thugs are involved in the junior sections of their clubs; coaches, assistant coaches, dads, committee men? That culture is a big part of what's wrong with the community game, and weak oversight allows it to continue, such that some clubs, named in this thread, are well known for it, yet it continues unchecked.

It's time the community game was grabbed by the knackers and sorted out once and for all.

Spot on!

If Nigel Wood would do this and only this he would've done the sport more good than anything since the split in 1895.

It's time for a purge.

I hope your not having a dig at Flower. He won us the game at OT, and the 2mins Hohiha played in that GF, were the best he played wearing the red vee

In addition, I should have said that the amateur game ethos/mentality of "One in, all in" has to be eliminated. All amateur teams need to know that, if any team is deemed to have adopted and used a 'one in, all in" policy during a match, then EVERY PLAYER in that team will be banned for 12 months.

Until the RFL, BARLA and the various regional bodies get their act in gear, you've no chance of fundamental change.
Even the most basic of controls of the players who play for a team is a shambles. I could sign on for a team under any name I chose, there is no ID check, the only issue is I wouldn't be insured if I were to get injured whilst playing under a falsely. There are players out there, signed on under false names - again from my own team, one lad has played for 4 teams in the last 12 months (helping out mates at other teams when they've been short and we didn't have a game), whilst only legitimately signed on for 1.
Then depending on which league you're in, they use ID cards to check pre-game, but these checks are completed by a representative of eAch club (if done at all) and are paid little attention. Also, the cards are actually plastic wallets that can be cut open from the back and put anyone's photo in.

Starting right at the beginning, there needs to be a better vetting process of players actually signing on, ID cards should be mandatory, and should be hard plastic with photos embossed on them to prevent tampering, and it should be the referee who checks the cards against the team sheet. It's real basic stuff, but until you've got proper control over who actually is taking to the field of play, anything else is pointless.

This is the moment to sort out the amateur game once and for all and eradicate the fighting etc mentality. If it needs every player to have a unique identifying number for control purposes then make it compulsory to have a passport and use that number. The growth or even grassroots survival of the game is at stake and needs must even if 'cost' might be an excuse given not to do this. Any better ideas?

I know a few people who's kids play rugby union instead of league.
A few reasons why, they play at there own grounds with nice club houses, clean changing rooms and a bar that isn't full of local idiots.
These people would much rather have there kids play league than union but in my experience of my son playing from 8s to 16s I saw some horrendous incidents with kids all in brawls and parents encouraging this and even carrying it on after the final whistle.
League needs to try to attract middle class supporters because the etticate in union is far better than league.
We have a great sport but unfortunately the people in charge see it as there baby and don't listen to ideas from people who seem to have more idea than they do.

A similar incident happened, oh about 20 years ago in the amateur rugby union game. Can't for the life of me remember the name but I'm sure they were based near Manchester and there was no messing around and no second chances. The club was kicked out of the league and the players involved were handed sine die bans

Regards

King James

I think this is very common. Just look at the amount of amateur union clubs, with full junior sections in West Yorkshire. Yet Yorkshire Carnegie struggle to get one man and his dog to attend their games.

i think you are wrong, just beacause of a few bad eggs clubs like Fryston, queens the old chequerfield club in pontefract, does not mean the whole amateur game is awash with violence. just in the Castleford area, there is Panthers, Loch lane Fev lions, Rockware. these clubs run junior setups right up to open age and have there own club house and facilities superior to most union clubs. the last i looked Fryston etr don't have any sort of junior set up. there just a team made up of cast offs and thugs from better local teams who don't want them, and some crap ex pros's who think there the local hard nuts.

8 Fryston players charged, 2 Keighley players charged & a separate investigation ongoing also.

After last weekend's Ladbrokes Challenge Cup third round matches, the Match Review Panel have issued the following charges: Adam Rothwell (Fryston) - Grade A Punching (EGP available) Davey Dixon (Keighley) - Grade A Punching (EGP not available) Andy Speake (Fryston) - Grade D Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Emmerson Whittel (Keighley) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Sean Gee (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Ben Strong (Fryston) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Kicking (EGP not available) Craig Jones (Fryston) - Grade B Running in and Punching (EGP available) Jack Lee (Fryston) - Grade B Entering field without permission (EGP available) Leon Crellin (Egremont) - Grade B High Tackle (EGP available) Alex Williams (Hemel) - Grade C Foul and abusive language to Match Officials (EGP available) FuiFui MoiMoi (Toronto) - Grade E High Tackle (EGP not available) A separate investigation into the Fryston Warriors v Keighley Cougars game is currently underway looking into events surrounding the fixture. - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/article/395 ... E1vvk.dpuf

After last weekend's Ladbrokes Challenge Cup third round matches, the Match Review Panel have issued the following charges: Adam Rothwell (Fryston) - Grade A Punching (EGP available) Davey Dixon (Keighley) - Grade A Punching (EGP not available) Andy Speake (Fryston) - Grade D Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Emmerson Whittel (Keighley) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Sean Gee (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Ben Strong (Fryston) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Kicking (EGP not available) Craig Jones (Fryston) - Grade B Running in and Punching (EGP available) Jack Lee (Fryston) - Grade B Entering field without permission (EGP available) Leon Crellin (Egremont) - Grade B High Tackle (EGP available) Alex Williams (Hemel) - Grade C Foul and abusive language to Match Officials (EGP available) FuiFui MoiMoi (Toronto) - Grade E High Tackle (EGP not available) A separate investigation into the Fryston Warriors v Keighley Cougars game is currently underway looking into events surrounding the fixture. - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/article/395 ... E1vvk.dpuf

Quote ="Budgiezilla"After last weekend's Ladbrokes Challenge Cup third round matches, the Match Review Panel have issued the following charges: Adam Rothwell (Fryston) - Grade A Punching (EGP available) Davey Dixon (Keighley) - Grade A Punching (EGP not available) Andy Speake (Fryston) - Grade D Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Emmerson Whittel (Keighley) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Sean Gee (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Ben Strong (Fryston) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Kicking (EGP not available) Craig Jones (Fryston) - Grade B Running in and Punching (EGP available) Jack Lee (Fryston) - Grade B Entering field without permission (EGP available) Leon Crellin (Egremont) - Grade B High Tackle (EGP available) Alex Williams (Hemel) - Grade C Foul and abusive language to Match Officials (EGP available) FuiFui MoiMoi (Toronto) - Grade E High Tackle (EGP not available) A separate investigation into the Fryston Warriors v Keighley Cougars game is currently underway looking into events surrounding the fixture. - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/article/395 ... E1vvk.dpuf'" So Steve Scott is looking at a minimum 16 game ban if he gets found guilty on those 2 charges. I have a feeling it’ll be nearer a year IMO.

Quote ="Budgiezilla"After last weekend's Ladbrokes Challenge Cup third round matches, the Match Review Panel have issued the following charges: Adam Rothwell (Fryston) - Grade A Punching (EGP available) Davey Dixon (Keighley) - Grade A Punching (EGP not available) Andy Speake (Fryston) - Grade D Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Emmerson Whittel (Keighley) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Sean Gee (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Ben Strong (Fryston) - Grade C Running in and Punching (EGP available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Running in and Punching (EGP not available) Steve Scott (Fryston) - Grade F Kicking (EGP not available) Craig Jones (Fryston) - Grade B Running in and Punching (EGP available) Jack Lee (Fryston) - Grade B Entering field without permission (EGP available) Leon Crellin (Egremont) - Grade B High Tackle (EGP available) Alex Williams (Hemel) - Grade C Foul and abusive language to Match Officials (EGP available) FuiFui MoiMoi (Toronto) - Grade E High Tackle (EGP not available) A separate investigation into the Fryston Warriors v Keighley Cougars game is currently underway looking into events surrounding the fixture. - See more at: www.rugby-league.com/article/395 ... E1vvk.dpuf'" So Steve Scott is looking at a minimum 16 game ban if he gets found guilty on those 2 charges. I have a feeling it’ll be nearer a year IMO.

I'm sort of interested how the offence of "Running in and Punching" can be classified over several different categories, each with a significantly different penalty?

Shouldn't there just be one category with the range of punishment varied to match the severity?

Otherwise it's not really tackling the issue - e.g. well I'll run in a punch a bit and I might get a Cat B, whilst if I run in & welly someone then I might get a Cat F. Err, no, just don't run in & punch at all!

I think it maybe depends where you're coming from too. Like if your in the vicinity of the scuffle I don't think the punishment is as bad as say running from the other side of the pitch to get involved.

Hope that Scott gets a life-time ban. He was the one kneeing, kicking and bragging about it on social media. The one with neanderthal-esce grasp of the English language!

Category F is minimum 8 games or time period. Our lovely Mr Scott has managed to get separate ones for punching & kicking. Hopefully this is a mechanism to remove him from the game forever.

I would also assume the severity of the offence reflects the grading as running in and one punch is not equivalent to a sustained attack.

The RFL split it in to 2 categories.

Running in and Punching (B-D grade)
Running in and Punching somebody off guard (E-F grade)

3 categories for the Kicking offence as well.
Light Contact (A-B)
Full Contact (C-D)
Full Contact violent and aggressive (E-F)

This charge is odd because he's been charged with Kicking but he's used his knees and there's separate category for Knee strikes.

Yes I've got that, its just that some of the problem is the whole "running in" thing, so of they want to eradicate that then even the percieved lower grade actions should perhaps be addressed more seriously to discourage players from joining in.

Same Fryston lads at it again in the taxi queue giving a certain stand off a hiding last weekend too, one particularly notorious local lad who might just have made it right to the very top of the game had he not been an absolute lunatic.

They have a few in that team that were on the fringes of the professional game. Are we talking of the one who was at Rochdale for a few seasons?, or is it someone who got his marching orders in the infamous Sharlston v Fryston YouTube vid?