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| Quote ="Father Ted"Clubs and SL are poorer for the loss of our best players.
Saints haven't replaced James Graham with anyone remotely of similar quality.
He was the best prop in SL and has just been =#FF0000voted the best prop in the NRL.
There isn't a second rower in SL of Hock's quality, his size, pace and all round skill set is far better than any other.
We will have to get used to this I fear, this just maybe the begining!'"
I missed that about Graham, where was that awarded?
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"Perhaps, if this trend continues for a few years, it will be possible to build an England team composed largely of NRL players. This should mean that England are eventually able to compete with Australia (as NZ do), at least to the extent that we are capable of winning the odd one-off series. When this happens, it will be a shot in the arm to the game in the UK, raising its profile and levels of support, and thus turnover and income.
Perhaps things just have to get worse before they get better. But we need to make sure UK talent leaving SL is going to the NRL and not Union.'"
Quote ="Beverley red"A fellow beliver? Let the Aussies pay the big money we get well prepared English players, English lads get a chance to earn good money, they free up more places in super league clubs, they stay in the game & we have fewer places for Aussies in the NRL. Its win win win.'"
Glad that people see it like this.
More Kiwis in the NRL = They win the WC
More poms in the NRL = ?
Aren't people here always going on about needing a strong national team to capture the public's imagination? What better way to do it then have your stars compete in the world's biggest rugby comp and have plenty of up&coming talent in the SL.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Clubs and SL are poorer for the loss of our best players.
Saints haven't replaced James Graham with anyone remotely of similar quality.
He was the best prop in SL and has just been voted the best prop in the NRL.
There isn't a second rower in SL of Hock's quality, his size, pace and all round skill set is far better than any other.
We will have to get used to this I fear, this just maybe the begining!'"
Not sure where you get your facts from about Graham, looking at it, he is not even the best prop at the Doggies!!
Kasiano won the Dally M as the NRL best prop.
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| Graham was far the better of the two, he turned a number of games when he came on from the bench. Everybody here lol'd when Kasiano was named. He wasn't the best prop at the Doggies never mind in the comp.
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| I hate the low cap we have in SL, but I wouldn't in fact raise it because it doesn't address the core problem, which is the very poor ( in every sense ) clubs propping up our premier competition. Some people even think lowering the cap would help. Race to amateurism.
We're in a uniquely challenging situation and we need a different way to address it. I believe that no cap, but a limit of 13 players who can be paid more than 100k and a total squad limit of 26 to 30 would be ideal. If you've got the money you can bring superstars into our sport on whatever megabucks you or your sponsors want to spend, BUT you can't totally dominate the competition by stuffing the bench with superstars, keeping them away from other clubs. To run a good club, no matter how much money you have, this system forces you to run a good home grown talent conveyor belt, otherwise you simply won't have a squad to cope with any injuries at all.
My idea doesn't of course do anything about loony chairmen who decide to bankrupt their clubs. Never mind. Its a free country not a communist state.
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| Do you class Bradford in that category of poor clubs propping up the premier comp? Bradford were a flagship club that went bust. The British game simply can't afford full time Super League. Get more money from Sky or go part time. The player drain to the NRL has already begun and will continue - simply because there is more money over there.
The British game simply isn't big enough to compete with those kind of numbers.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"I hate the low cap we have in SL, but I wouldn't in fact raise it because it doesn't address the core problem, which is the very poor ( in every sense ) clubs propping up our premier competition. Some people even think lowering the cap would help. Race to amateurism.
We're in a uniquely challenging situation and we need a different way to address it. I believe that no cap, but a limit of 13 players who can be paid more than 100k and a total squad limit of 26 to 30 would be ideal. If you've got the money you can bring superstars into our sport on whatever megabucks you or your sponsors want to spend, BUT you can't totally dominate the competition by stuffing the bench with superstars, keeping them away from other clubs. To run a good club, no matter how much money you have, this system forces you to run a good home grown talent conveyor belt, otherwise you simply won't have a squad to cope with any injuries at all.
My idea doesn't of course do anything about loony chairmen who decide to bankrupt their clubs. Never mind. Its a free country not a communist state.'"
But if you could match the NRL in player payments that would not be enough, you would need to pay probably 50% more just to attract the fringe stars.
Super League is never going to get a Cam Smith, GI, Slater, Cronk or Thurston in their prime.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Do you class Bradford in that category of poor clubs propping up the premier comp? Bradford were a flagship club that went bust. The British game simply can't afford full time Super League. Get more money from Sky or go part time. The player drain to the NRL has already begun and will continue - simply because there is more money over there.
The British game simply isn't big enough to compete with those kind of numbers.'"
Yes, Bradford are (for now at least) poor.
You don't just 'get' more money, its created by investing. For all the talk about better stadia etc. nothing puts bums on seats ( or viewers in front of televisions) better than star players and great teams of players. The whole thing is chicken-and-egg and I wouldn't claim that picking which comes first is an exact science, but I personally believe that hanging around waiting for 'more sky money', after which we'll be able to move forward is a death spiral. We can do better than descend into amateurism. There have been - few and far between admittedly - people who would spend money to bring great players ( and also just great PR value players such as the Henson's, Cipriani's ,etc ) into their clubs, but the cap makes it nigh on impossible. I'm not suggesting that under my suggestion we'd be an overnight commercial success, but growth is about one thing leading to another. Someone signs (say) Johnny Wilkinson (that alone would bust the cap). TV interest, 1000 new fans, a couple of new sponsors, game profile goes up a bit, other clubs get a fraction more money as a result, meaning another rich guy takes an interest in another club and brings another big name in. Profile goes up a bit more, more sponsorship, higher price for Sky, etc.
You are right in that there's no money in the game. For exactly that reason we should give wealthy people and sponsors (finding them is the next challenge) at least the *opportunity* to put some money into the game. Sure, they'd do it through one particular club, but lets be realistic, nobody is going to just give money to the sport as a whole. With a hard squad limit system we can accept such money, and the benefits it passes on to whole game through media interest, without ruining the competition.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"Yes, Bradford are (for the next few days) poor.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"Yes, Bradford are (for now at least) poor.
You don't just 'get' more money, its created by investing. For all the talk about better stadia etc. nothing puts bums on seats ( or viewers in front of televisions) better than star players and great teams of players. The whole thing is chicken-and-egg and I wouldn't claim that picking which comes first is an exact science, but I personally believe that hanging around waiting for 'more sky money', after which we'll be able to move forward is a death spiral. We can do better than descend into amateurism. There have been - few and far between admittedly - people who would spend money to bring great players ( and also just great PR value players such as the Henson's, Cipriani's ,etc ) into their clubs, but the cap makes it nigh on impossible. I'm not suggesting that under my suggestion we'd be an overnight commercial success, but growth is about one thing leading to another. Someone signs (say) Johnny Wilkinson (that alone would bust the cap). TV interest, 1000 new fans, a couple of new sponsors, game profile goes up a bit, other clubs get a fraction more money as a result, meaning another rich guy takes an interest in another club and brings another big name in. Profile goes up a bit more, more sponsorship, higher price for Sky, etc.
You are right in that there's no money in the game. For exactly that reason we should give wealthy people and sponsors (finding them is the next challenge) at least the *opportunity* to put some money into the game. Sure, they'd do it through one particular club, but lets be realistic, nobody is going to just give money to the sport as a whole. With a hard squad limit system we can accept such money, and the benefits it passes on to whole game through media interest, without ruining the competition.'"
Any such open salary system will just lead to inequality between teams, one sided games, and any extra money in the game going to those "star" players. When the sport generates cash, the last place we should be spending it is on Henson, Cipriani and Wilkinson.
We just need more teams able to spend to the cap to equalise the competition. As we get closer and closer to any team being able to win any match, that will increase interest in the sport further. As that happens, yet more teams can spend to the cap.
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| I still keep hearing the same old drivel about a salary cap, My view is that we need to keep clubs going bust by irresponsible management, I don't buy the evening out of the competition as the top four will get the best players for less than the the lower clubs will anyway. We have just lost a good prospect & a half back to Wigan & doubt (but dont know) they will earn what KR would have paid? but they are chasing trophys, that is the way players should be motivated for thier own enjoyment of playing the game, all the best players would play for nothing. The money is a total red herring, yes we pay players & TV pays money but the game is not viable on its own (Gate reciepts & ground revenue) paying the wages they do.
No sports in the UK are, even soccer can't survive on its own without TV money & that could change at a whim (remember the state soccer was in in 1970's). The game can only survive by people playing the game for the love of it & watching for the same reason. If enough of us are not interested the game will die.
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| Quote ="Beverley red"I still keep hearing the same old drivel about a salary cap, My view is that we need to keep clubs going bust by irresponsible management, I don't buy the evening out of the competition as the top four will get the best players for less than the the lower clubs will anyway. We have just lost a good prospect & a half back to Wigan & doubt (but dont know) they will earn what KR would have paid? but they are chasing trophys, that is the way players should be motivated for thier own enjoyment of playing the game, all the best players would play for nothing. The money is a total red herring, yes we pay players & TV pays money but the game is not viable on its own (Gate reciepts & ground revenue) paying the wages they do.
No sports in the UK are, even soccer can't survive on its own without TV money & that could change at a whim (remember the state soccer was in in 1970's). The game can only survive by people playing the game for the love of it & watching for the same reason. If enough of us are not interested the game will die.'"
KR should be able to pay those particular players more than Wigan, because Wigan have used up their salary cap on their squad already. Looking at the two squads, KR should have a stack of money to spare for a couple of big stars, if they were able to spend up to the cap.
Our top players wouldn't play for free. They would be off to RU and the NRL.
The TV revenue is a complete red herring. All top level sports depend on TV revenue, and will for the foreseeable future. Selling their own internet viewing service could be an alternative in the future, but the tech isn't there enough yet.
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| Quote ="Richie"KR should be able to pay those particular players more than Wigan, because Wigan have used up their salary cap on their squad already. Looking at the two squads, KR should have a stack of money to spare for a couple of big stars, if they were able to spend up to the cap.
Our top players wouldn't play for free. They would be off to RU and the NRL.
The TV revenue is a complete red herring. All top level sports depend on TV revenue, and will for the foreseeable future. Selling their own internet viewing service could be an alternative in the future, but the tech isn't there enough yet.'"
Surely that would just reduce the income clubs currently get via SKY and gate reciepts? , even the much ' lauded ' NFL realise that with their ' blackout ' policy
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| Quote ="Starbug"Surely that would just reduce the income clubs currently get via SKY and gate reciepts? , even the much ' lauded ' NFL realise that with their ' blackout ' policy'"
Internet access is something I see as more likely a supplement to Sky (or other broadcaster) to give access outside of the UK.
However as home broadband access speeds improve, selling internet coverage could replace selling TV coverage.
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| Quote ="Richie"Internet access is something I see as more likely a supplement to Sky (or other broadcaster) to give access outside of the UK.
However as home broadband access speeds improve, selling internet coverage could replace selling TV coverage.'"
Until the Yanks take an interest any non UK revenue would be minimal, we cant even get our local populace to pay to watch, let alone jonny foreigner
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| Quote ="Starbug"Until the Yanks take an interest any non UK revenue would be minimal, we cant even get our local populace to pay to watch, let alone jonny foreigner'"
Surely there is interest in Australia and NZ? Or do they have it via a TV deal?
I'd like the facility to watch games when on holiday, and I can't be unique in that respect.
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| Quote ="Richie"Surely there is interest in Australia and NZ? Or do they have it via a TV deal?
I'd like the facility to watch games when on holiday, and I can't be unique in that respect.'"
You overestimate the interest in SL from down under, and the ' holiday ' market isnt ever going to make a difference
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| Quote ="Starbug"You overestimate the interest in SL from down under, and the ' holiday ' market isnt ever going to make a difference'"
In Australia channel Nine got the rights a few years ago.
Played a couple of games a week on a Sunday lunchtime, became hit and miss with some weeks no games shown at all with no mention why.
After a short time it was shuffled to midnight on a Monday or Tuesday then I think it disappeared altogether without a mention.
The WCC is shown at midnight about 3 days after it is played I believe.
Super League is barely recognised in Australia by all accounts.
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| Quote ="Buggo"In Australia channel Nine got the rights a few years ago.
Played a couple of games a week on a Sunday lunchtime, became hit and miss with some weeks no games shown at all with no mention why.
After a short time it was shuffled to midnight on a Monday or Tuesday then I think it disappeared altogether without a mention.
The WCC is shown at midnight about 3 days after it is played I believe.
Super League is barely recognised in Australia by all accounts.'"
Or it's live on Eurosport? Get Foxtel and you can watch it.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Or it's live on Eurosport? Get Foxtel and you can watch it.'"
Cant be d with Foxtel to be honest Sheldon.
I used to have it for years but the dross they serve up for over $100 a month made me flick it when all of the free view channels came out.
With around 20 free channels you would think they could put SL on one of them.
I watch a fair bit of SL on the net.
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| $25 a week for 12 RL games a week? Bargain!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"$25 a week for 12 RL games a week? Bargain!'"
I have other things to squeeze into my busy schedule though JB.
The 3 games I can see for free are enough and usually the better teams.
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| Quote ="Buggo"I have other things to squeeze into my busy schedule though JB.
The 3 games I can see for free are enough and usually the better teams.
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| Each to their own.
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| Maybe this is a blessing in disguise.
We can now start to develope our youth into top super league or international players who have been held back in the past by over rated, over aged and over paid imports from Australia.
Dont forget Sam Thompkins only got his chance when Tim Smith got injured.
The youngsters might thrive without the pressure of having to preform on the odd chance they get and wont have to be loaned out to championship clubs just so they get a game.
Untill the powers that be bring our game into the 20th century and stop messing about with our game we need to keep the salery cap as it is otherwise we will see a lot more clubs doing a Bradford, Salford, Widnes, Wakefield, Castleford, Crusaders, Paris, Toulouse and maybe a few more that might follow them.
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