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Round 1 - =#00BF008.52% increase
Round 2 - =#FF00000.28% decrease
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[i2013 [/i- 1,304
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| Quote ="William Eve"The figures I posted still compare the equivalent fixtures from last year, 2012, 2011, 2010 and 2009.
The only one's which differ are having to replace Widnes attendances with the equivalent Crusaders attendances from 2009 to 2011.
Here...
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SEASON = 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009
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WIG V HUD 16240 19620 16771 19169 13619 11670
WAR V STS 13157 13381 15000 13024 13024 12075
HUL V CAT 10178 10065 10765 10739 11466 12482
BFD V CAS 8214 7724 10906 14348 8019 8971
HKR V LEE 11526 8122 8379 8673 8406 8623
SAL V WAK 7102 2327 2380 3213 3401 3151
WID V LON 5327 4870 5635 2259 1122 3009
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TOTAL = 71744 66109 69836 71425 59057 59981
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LEE V WAR 16164 15059 17120 17276 16733 13386
STS V HUL 13448 11257 14875 7053 12142 13684
LON V SAL 1246 2079 1517 1957 2395 2612
WAK V BFD 4049 8084 6934 6486 5381 6516
CAS V CAT 5104 5205 5005 4889 4209 5508
HUD V HKR 7180 5641 4962 6464 6304 6346
WIG V WID
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TOTAL = 47191 47325 50413 44125 47164 48052
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SAL V STS 6353 3248 5447 5929 5685 4808
CAT V LEE 6300 9465 10269 10688 8230 7913
HKR V CAS 7022 6489 7312 8936 8104 8104
WID V HUD 5577 5173 4644 3008 4127 1988
BFD V LON 5410 7148 10132 12354 7153 7813
WAR V HUL 10276 9387 10582 12036 10042 9170
WIG V WAK 11703 12152 13609 13095 14615 14377
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TOTAL = 52641 53062 61995 66046 57956 54173
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WID V SAL 5291 5562 5053 2576 2412 3009
HUD V LEE 8759 7756 9128 10428 10116 11593
HUL V BFD 11307 10952 11673 11346 14466 13412
STS V HKR 11818 10820 12435 7740 9458 11830
LON V WAR 1377 3041 2261 3842 3211 3206
WAK V CAT 4190 6125 7254 4561 5818 4807
CAS V WIG 8504 7852 8156 7263 8493 6574
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TOTAL = 222822 218604 238204 229352 218151 216637
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still using your invalid Catalans crowd with no evidence of it coming from the actual club, ha ha ha
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| London vs Cas next Thursday...Billy's just starting his run up
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| Quote ="Wildmoose"London vs Cas next Thursday...Billy's just starting his run up
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Castleford's average in London is 3,208 over 17 SL visits. Top crowd was 8,067 when Jungle.com bussed them down, lowest was last year 1,810.
I suspect this will be the first of a few sub 1k gates in London this year, but that said, Thursday April 17th is the home London game I'd highlight as having the potential to be a record breaking low....500 is the record for SL.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Quote ="Wildmoose"London vs Cas next Thursday...Billy's just starting his run up
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Castleford's average in London is 3,208 over 17 SL visits. Top crowd was 8,067 when Jungle.com bussed them down, lowest was last year 1,810.
I suspect this will be the first of a few sub 1k gates in London this year, but that said, Thursday April 17th is the home London game I'd highlight as having the potential to be a record breaking low....500 is the record for SL.'"
When was there a 500 crowd in SL?
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| Quote ="Conorgiantsfan"When was there a 500 crowd in SL?'"
SL II. July 2nd 1997...PSG v Salford.
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| Quote ="JonB95"still using your invalid Catalans crowd with no evidence of it coming from the actual club, ha ha ha'"
That's what he does, always has done and always will.
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If we ignore London who're just a shambles of a club and on their way out of SL what's the increase based on the other 6 games?
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| Quote ="loiner81"
If we ignore London who're just a shambles of a club and on their way out of SL what's the increase based on the other 6 games?'"
I don't think we can do that, I understand the philosophy in terms of getting rid of outliers. But if we did that to London, then we should have done that to Saints 2 years ago when our crowds almost doubled, from being a nomadic club to a nice new central stadium club.
Every year there will be exceptional reasons for increases and decreases, Salford up this year due to the impact of Marwan. Bradford down due to debarcle [size=85(v 4.0)[/size. Wakey with their ground issues, Hull KR with the new stand, you see the point. There will always be explanations, but it's the overall pattern that really matters. If we can take the hits and still show increases then that's a good thing. To be fair as London where low anyway, there drops when combined in the overall figures make little headway. The biggest pull back on the figures will be the drops at Bradford and Wakey.
I'm quite interested in Saints figures this year. I expected a 2nd season drop at the new ground as those who bought in year 1 would not all renew. I'd hope that over the next 5 years though the growth would be more sustained back to that first year level. That's how it seemed to go for Wigan following their move.
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| The game last night was 17.66% down on last season. Stay away fans sticking two fingers up at Thursday night fixtures perhaps?
SL attendances are currently 2.75% up on last season from 35 games played. Most notable gainers so far are Salford +107.37%, Hull KR +26.95%, Castleford +23.04%, Huddersfield +18.97% and St Helens +10.24%. Last season, Salford were -43.22%, Hull KR -3.74%, Castleford -4.92%, Huddersfield -17.40% and St Helens -19.46%.
Wigan home attendances are worrying. They were -9.34% down last year and the downward trend continues this year at -7.33% down after 3 home games.
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| I doubt it's anything to do with Thursday nights.
More than a worry for Wigan, there would be more cause for concern for Warrington. They have had arguably their 2 biggest home draws (yes on a Thursday). But Wigan still have the home fixtures against Saints and Wire, which will provide their figures a boost.
Last year Wigan played Wire at home with 20000+ in their first 3 games.
This year they have not had that early boost.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I doubt it's anything to do with Thursday nights.
More than a worry for Wigan, there would be more cause for concern for Warrington. They have had arguably their 2 biggest home draws (yes on a Thursday). But Wigan still have the home fixtures against Saints and Wire, which will provide their figures a boost.
Last year Wigan played Wire at home with 20000+ in their first 3 games.
This year they have not had that early boost.'"
Your logic is flawed because the attendance comparisons I posted relate to the same fixtures played between the same teams last season. Wigan's attendances can only be provided with a boost by the bigger home draws percentage-wise if the attendances at those games turn out to be higher than last year. In other words, they'll require attendances higher than 20,050 and 23,861 against Warrington and St Helens respectively in order for their figures to be boosted.
Wigan attendances were 9.34% down last year and currently 7.33% down this year.
Warrington attendances were 7.15% down last year and currently 4.93% down this year.
Both clubs are suffering drops in attendances but Wigan's are currently the more worrying of the two.
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| I follow a few wire fans on twitter and they're not overly happy with the start to the season so maybe plenty others are feeling the same and are picking there games.
If i was a wigan fan i wouldn't be happy about letting so many of there better players go at the end of last season.
The self proclaimed biggest rugby club in the world now just a selling club must be quite gutting for them.
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| 11,500 was a dire attendance considering Wigan's big travelling support. Can't have been much more than 9,000 Wire fans there?
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| On the other hand, Leeds, Huddersfield (currently up 1k on last year) and St Helens attendances don't seem to be suffering at all, so I'm not going to buy any of the 'we will make the top 8 anyway, so it's not worth turning up' arguments.
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| Quote ="JonB95"11,500 was a dire attendance considering Wigan's big travelling support. Can't have been much more than 9,000 Wire fans there?'"
i thought it was a poor crowd, in terms of warrington v wigan, the game everyone wants to see, the big grudge match,re-run of the grand final etc and probably less than 9,000 warrington fans there?
i thought the idea of expanding the HJ was to accomodate all these wire fans that wanted to be there for the big games vs wigan and saints?
it's not a dig, just an observation, has the wire bubble burst slightly now?
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| Quote ="William Eve"Your logic is flawed because the attendance comparisons I posted relate to the same fixtures played between the same teams last season. Wigan's attendances can only be provided with a boost by the bigger home draws percentage-wise if the attendances at those games turn out to be higher than last year. In other words, they'll require attendances higher than 20,050 and 23,861 against Warrington and St Helens respectively in order for their figures to be boosted.
Wigan attendances were 9.34% down last year and currently 7.33% down this year.
Warrington attendances were 7.15% down last year and currently 4.93% down this year.
Both clubs are suffering drops in attendances but Wigan's are currently the more worrying of the two.'"
Fair enough I thought you were comparing the opening 3 games with the opening 3 games last year
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| Charging Wigan fans £28 wouldn't have helped.
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| How much is it normally at Wire. £28 is a bit on the steep side. I can get that for the centre gold section at Saints.
Surely £28 was not behind the sticks??? You must be one of the posh lot who like to sit on the sides.
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| Not me, I get my fix at LSV. A couple of Warriors supporters in the pub were hissed off about it.
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| £28??
it says it's £19.50 pre match and £20 match day prices for the west stand.
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| Quote ="meast"£28??
it says it's £19.50 pre match and £20 match day prices for the west stand.'"
Correct, was £19.50 for the West Stand, though it was £28.50 for the North Stand(!)
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| so it wasn't £28 for wigan fans as one poster stated?
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| Nope. You pay more for seating on the sides at any ground. Home or away fans. So bit of a cheeky dig at Wire there it seems.
Back to attendances last nights crowd at Leeds down 25 on the previous season. So even though an easy win was on the cards, the fans still turned out.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Nope. You pay more for seating on the sides at any ground. Home or away fans. So bit of a cheeky dig at Wire there it seems.
Back to attendances last nights crowd at Leeds down 25 on the previous season. So even though an easy win was on the cards, the fans still turned out.'"
This is a disgrace! Why are those 25 fans staying away? Rugby league is dying.
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