If it were my team in the final then you would want them to do everything in their power to win - as an observer you want a game that truly reflects the skill sets on show

As a neutral I admire the Wigan club's culture of bringing there young lads into the first team constantly and when they throw the ball about to the winger's they are enjoyable to watch, But these days they are awful to watch with slowing the game down so much and i know every other team do the same but wigan are the master of it.

Warrington in comparison are a team enjoyable to watch most of the time a bit like Wakey so i'll go for a wire win.






Up The Trin

Strange how most fans think it's everybody else's clubs that are responsible for ruining the game and/or cheating - And in particular the more successful clubs tend to bear the brunt of that criticism.
In reality the Best Teams adapt & play the rules/refs better.

I don't buy into the Idealistic myth that they're playing a better brand of Rugby and the only reason they're not winning is the Refs don't punish the so called offending Teams.
Nothing but Paranoia excuses.

I also don't buy into the Saints/Cas argument that they played great Rugby all year and only failed at the final hurdles because that's not the type of rugby that wins GF's.
They didn't win because they weren't good enough when it mattered.

Any style of Rugby can win GF's if your good enough at it and more importantly if you have the Players and the Bottle to do it when it matters

If you get away with something which is against the rules, it's cheating.
However, that is why we have a referee (and his assistants).

There is one certainty, Wire wont be getting too many quick play the balls.

It's not that long ago that Trin stopped Wigan from playing the ball quickly, but that was OK

Wigan by 10 for me

Slowing the PTB down isn’t against the rules, doing it too long is.

On the same line as tackling isn’t against the rules but if you get it wrong you can be penalised, doesn’t make you cheaters.

Kicking into touch isn’t cheating but if you get it wrong and kick out on the full then you’re penalised, doesn’t make the team cheaters just means they failed to execute a certain tactic/aspect of the game correctly.

I'm more concerned with Wigan injuring our players than slowing down the ptb.

If I were a Wigan fan I’d be concerned with Ben Westwood slyly punching one of the HB’s in the face on the ground.

If I were a wigan fan I'd be concerned about ben flower knocking an ineffective half back out.

Aaahhhh that old chestnut.
I'm sure there will be one eye (Pun intended) on the likes of Westwood and Hill as well.
I'm sure George or Tommy (don't think he'll risk it on Tommy) will try their best not to get their eye socket and cheekbone fractured face butting Westwoods fist.

There are loads of infringements around the ruck area and some sides are more clever that others at exploiting these to gain advantage.
Some call it being professional where others may say cheating.
Equally, some players know how to "work" the ref, whereas others seem less able to do so.
Of course, they, also, are just being professional.

No problem as long as he gets away with it and doesn't mess it up like another Ben did.

What wire need to do is make sure with certainty that if they risk some foul play, the play fouled has to go to hospital and not go on to win the harry Sunderland....proper foul play...not this tickling the face lark.

Oh make no bones about it, he could have gone off and not won the Harry sunderland.
But just like Sean Edwards who was also the victim of a terrible assault he stayed on and toughed it out and helped us get the win.

As I said earlier, winners will be grinners, 99.9% of the rest of the time for the losers it's just excuses.
Ill let other teams come up with excuses why they haven't or didn't win.
I'll give most Leeds fans credit, they get the job done and worry about being called all the names under the sun after they've won.
That's what being a grand final winner takes.

I just want to win to be honest. I couldn't care less how it's achieved, whether anyone cries fair or foul, or whether other fans brand us deserved winners or a disgrace to the sport. I just want the trophy.

Always a HB isn’t it. Last time he tried it on a forward he got knocked out with one punch.

Regards

King James

I hope there's little tolerance of dissent for this one. An aspect of the modern game I really dislike.

Spot on along with your previous post. All teams try and get away with stuff just the same despite some teams fans believing their teams are angels who don’t push limits or foul and never score contentious tries.

The only thing Wigan and Leeds are guilty of doing more of than other teams is winning Grand Finals.

Are you getting mixed up with Stuart Fielden.

The most blatant piece of thuggery we have seen on a rugby field since the Widnes team of the 80-90s. It finished a career and it should have finished his.

That wasn’t even the worst act of violence in that game compared to Hansen’s attempted career-ender on Ratchford which affected him for a full year after that game. Third man in, stationary leg, joints open and he comes in full body weight on Ratchford who snapped two ligaments. Targeted, instructed, changed the game.

Wire by 32?

The one where first contact was with Ratchford's Hip/Backside?
As for targeted and instructed - I'd like to know where that comes from?

So whilst agreeing that it wasn't the best tackle Hansen ever made (A Player who I don't think anyone would ever call Dirty?) as he probably didn't need to lose his feet in that instance to compare it to Westwoods act and describe it as "Violence" is ridiculous.
Anyway, I look forward to the excuses after Tomorrow's game if you lose.

Wasn't there's actual footage of Wane saying something along the lines of "go out there and cause f#####g mayhem" on the Auz WCC?