Are mental health problems a continuation of your life? Or do you fix them? He left Leigh with mental problems,he returned to a sport that created those mental issues with Cas..

Now mental health issues are one thing,but paying the bills is another..

Are you saying he should sit out at Widnes when he arrives? Take another club for a ride.

From what I can tell Rangi has had quite a colourful upbringing, these things could be deep rooted problems and probably are tbh.

No one that good with a Rugby Ball is gonna be happy just sat collecting wages. He already retired once but had to come back - ed the other night at Fev - he's clearly struggling.

He's done the same at all clubs. How can he go to Widnes to play with mental health problems? He either has them or doesn't. If he does have mental health issues,then Cas are wrong in loaning him out and Widnes are wrong in accepting him.

Personally i'm sick to death reading about personal mental health problems which are being used as an excuse.This is one of those cases..A person who is not happy unless he is putting himself in trouble.

What an unbelievably ignorant comment.

He is a Leigh fan, you know. You have to make allowances for that.

My thoughts exactly.

I don't understand how going to Widnes is going to help in any way, shape or form. It's not a fresh start, it's not pastures new, it's not turning over a new leaf. If he had mental health problems at Cas last week, he's going to have the same mental health problems at Widnes this week.

Although I don't know the full ins and outs of his last two 'episodes', from what I have read and heard it's classic self destruction behaviour, in effect a cry for help.

Going to repeat myself here but Wakefield sacked Tim Smith on the spot for drunk driving and he actually does have a mental health condition. ATOETD Atomic is right, Chase is an idiot with an attitude problem a bit like Scott Moore, Rich Owen, Kevin Locke.

And you know for a fact Chase doesn't have a mental health issue ? An earlier posted said they thought chase had a colourful upbringing well that's a bloody understatement. I think he does have problems but sadly he doesn't help himself. And if you aren't prepared to help yourself there's only so much those around you can do.

Whilst Widnes isn't a million miles away, if it stops him hanging about with bad influences, he may do better off-field.

people like chase soon find other bad influences

I don't think it will help him either, if anything I think it could affect him even more towards the business end of the season - while his ex Cas team mates are, fingers crossed, playing some huge games aiming to reach Old Trafford, he'll be playing Featherstone and Halifax (no disrespect of course).

Oh well, best of luck to him.

Coming from Carcassonne, what suddenly makes you an expert on Leigh fans?

No he doesn't know for a fact he hasn't got mental health issues, but then again neither do you know for a fact that he has.
It's funny though that the only time rancid's mental health issues come up for discussion is when he disgraces himself in the public eye with his inexcusable attempt's at causing bother at different social gatherings, which is unfortunately far too often.

Or find other people to badly influence.

And you wonder why people on here think your an obnoxious idiot.

Maybe you should be screened for some mental illness, I'm sure they will find something

The issue is Tim Smith, while drunk driving, crashed his vehicle into a civilian's house in broad daylight and got charged for it. Chase has been involved in tiffs in Pontefract and Featherstone and as far as I'm aware that's it - in the first instance he was started on by well-known thugs who have taken issue with him, and the second is under review. Not comparable situations at all.

Suppose it comes down to understanding whether a mental health issue is the reason for making poor life choices, or just being used as a convenient excuse to avoid taking personal responsibility for chosen actions.

I am making no judgements either way.

it's my opinion based on MY experience, if you don't like it, tough. I don't need any notes to voice an opinion and it be valid thanks.
Presume you have (his mental health notes, if any) to counter my stance, thought not!
As for your not liking my liberal comment, indulge me with some semblance as to why.
Frankly why you even bothered replying with such a pi$$ weak response is anyone's guess.
Do think before writing such a patheticly weak response!

As far as your aware eh, that means your guessing then, without trivialising Smith's incident he drove his car into a wall not a house, maybe you should have also added as far as I'm aware.
Clearly poor old rangi is a victim in all this according to you, Smith gets drunk and drives a car Chase gets drunk and causes trouble both unacceptable but Wilzay's not trying to defend Smith, don't suppose you have any comment to make about the incident with Chase a few years back in the Escape.

My mistake, a wall and two cars and mounted a residential pavement, not a house - silly me, much better. I'm not saying he's a victim, of course he's an idiot who gets himself into bad situations, but one of these players was charged with a serious endangering crime and one wasn't. Therefore little comparison.

Rangi has spoken openly about his mental health issues.
I hope playing regularly and moving away from the area will help him.

My point is no one blamed Smith's bi polar for his reckless idiotic actions. Why is Chase any different. The guy goes to a rival teams ground and starts a fight with a fan. How is that not anything but stupidity.

Good luck with that one, remind me how did it pan out last time moving to Salford/Leigh ?

Rangi's finished in League now. He obviously has issues and it's a sad decline for someone who had all the talent in the world.

At 31, he should do a KP and put himself up for the Union 7's circuit. Not sure what money is union 7's but KP is basically a freelance T20 Cricket player these days, travelling the world and playing in the domestic T20 comps. Rangi could get a good couple of years out of the 7's circuit and it suits his game to a tee.

Rangi (and anyone else) should be free to go and watch a game of rugby. That's not the issue here. The issue is that he was extremely drunk.
Interestingly, my understanding is that Rangi was punched a number of times before he retaliated and prior to this, although drunk, he was not aggressive or trying to 'start a fight'.
His stupidity was getting drunk, but this is often the symptom of a person's mental health difficulties.