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| Quote ="jools"Going by his decision making in Catalan those arguing hall has big game experience perhaps need a rethink. Hall has done nothing this season to suggest he is better at anything than the others. He doesn't have the pace he had, others can finish just as well so what exactly is it people think he has ABOVE the others. Can't just pick him because he has experience if that's the only thing he offers!!!!'"
Hall has been excellent this season for Leeds. Just because you want a Huddersfield player in don't make stuff up about Hall.
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| Quote ="Him"Hall has been excellent this season for Leeds. Just because you want a Huddersfield player in don't make stuff up about Hall.'"
......says the one making stuff up about who I want in- please read previous posts before posting drivel. Hall has been poor compared to previous years. Briscoe hS been better. You Still haven't said what hall offers ABOVE the others apart from he's been there before.....
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| Quote ="South Coast RL"I like the ON CURRENT FORM is nice and bold in the hope that a player from the OP's club will be picked.
Form is only a factor in international selection. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Experience counts for a lot as do other factors such as influence in the dressing room and performances in past internationals.
For me Ryan Hall has to be picked, he may not (by his own very high standards) of had his best season but past international performance guarantees selection.
That leaves the other side. I'd pick Burgess. I think he is class and will kick on to be one of the worlds best. He has a proper rugby brain and has the knack of being in the right place at the right time. I understand the arguments to go for an all Leeds back 3 with the understanding they have. Briscoe would be in my squad.
McGillvary is on top form but IMO not quite in the class of Hall, Burgess and Briscoe.'"
Of course it has to be on form, if a player is not performing well how long do you keep him in the international team because of 'past international performance's ? 1 year, 2 years, 3, years ??
Obviously i'm going to champion Jerry as he's a massive favourite of mine and is also the form winger is the game, and has been playing very well for a good 3/4 years now, how good does a player have to play to get a call-up ?
I also think Briscoe and Burgess are superb players too thats why i wanted to see what other people's thoughts were !
I'm not suggesting Hall should be dropped btw, i rate him highly and obviously he will be picked regardless but it's interesting to note that McGillvary's stats smash his !!
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| Quote ="jools"Going by his decision making in Catalan those arguing hall has big game experience perhaps need a rethink. '"
Today wasn't a big game.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Today wasn't a big game.'"
A game in which Leeds could potentially have secured 1st place isn't a big game anymore?
I also find it funny that the people who say Hall has to be in the team because of past performances think that this only applies to the wing positions and not the FB position. FB must be picked on form but wing on past performance.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Has anyone even suggested Charnley? Burgess and Manfredi now are infront of him at Wigan.'"
My point being that a high scoring winger from a 'popular' team at or near the top of the league shouldn't be a gimme, Charnley was a prime example of that. Burgess whilst great against lacklustre SL defences and scoring plenty of tries quite possibly in the same way Charnley wasn't, might not be up to spec against the likes of NZ and Australia. Can you not see the similarities between the two situations?
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| Before uncorking the champagne let's remember the Aussies & Kiwis might just easily steamroller the lot.
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| Quote ="jimlav"A game in which Leeds could potentially have secured 1st place isn't a big game anymore? '"
No they couldn't have secured top spot and Leeds clearly weren't fired up for it, for whatever reason. Not to take anything away from Catalans, who were on fire and would've beaten anyone yesterday, but I get the feeling Leeds have been taking it easy in training since Wembley. Fully expect them to ramp it up for next week and the semis though.
Quote ="jimlav"I also find it funny that the people who say Hall has to be in the team because of past performances think that this only applies to the wing positions and not the FB position. FB must be picked on form but wing on past performance.'"
Wigan fans are funny.
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| Quote ="jools"Going by his decision making in Catalan those arguing hall has big game experience perhaps need a rethink. Hall has done nothing this season to suggest he is better at anything than the others. He doesn't have the pace he had, others can finish just as well so what exactly is it people think he has ABOVE the others. Can't just pick him because he has experience if that's the only thing he offers!!!!'"
Hall's pace is no different, he's never been a paced winger.
And no, others can't finish just as well as him.
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| McGillivray brings the ball out of defence better than any other winger in the game including Hall.
His 4 tries today against Warrington make him the Leagues top try scorer.
Defensively I reckon he hits harder than most forwards and is positionaly very sound
He's head and shoulders better than Charnley and Burgess.
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| I wouldn't say he's head and shoulders above Burgess. Over 100m no one would catch Burgess and under the high ball he's faultless now. If Burgess hadn't been injured/rested he would've run away with top try scorer.
I do hope we see McGilvaray in the England team but not at the expense of a 20 year old who I reckon will go on to become one of the best English wingers for decades.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I wouldn't say he's head and shoulders above Burgess. Over 100m no one would catch Burgess and under the high ball he's faultless now. If Burgess hadn't been injured/rested he would've run away with top try scorer.
I do hope we see McGilvaray in the England team but not at the expense of a 20 year old who I reckon will go on to become one of the best English wingers for decades.'"
100% agree. Best post on this thread. Burgess is the future and already is the best winger in the comp.
Mcgillvary should be given a chance to show the players you can get in on form. You will be given a shot. I think it's certainly improve super league.
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| Ask Warrington if they don't think Jerry's defence is good?
They were petrified of him today and poor penny is probably still quaking and refusing to get on the bus home
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I wouldn't say he's head and shoulders above Burgess. Over 100m no one would catch Burgess and under the high ball he's faultless now. If Burgess hadn't been injured/rested he would've run away with top try scorer.
I do hope we see McGilvaray in the England team but not at the expense of a 20 year old who I reckon will go on to become one of the best English wingers for decades.'"
Burgess is quicker and marginally better under the high ball, that's it!
Playing on the wing is about so much more than that in the modern game. If you're looking for your back three to bring the ball back then Hall, McGillveray and Hardaker at Full Back is the way to go.
In international RL it's a rarity for a winger to score tries without having to beat one or many defenders especially from close in, Hall and McGillveray are the best in that respect because of their sheer size and power.
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| 4 more and another all-round performance from Jerry today, some of the hits he put in had Wire players wondering what day it was.....i am biased but, maybe Burgess aprt, there isn't anyone in this league to get anywhere near Jerry McGillvary form wise at the moment...his stats and his performances are backing it up...he cannot do anymore at the moment. I'd love to see him have a crack at the Aussies and Kiwis !!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Burgess is quicker and marginally better under the high ball, that's it!
Playing on the wing is about so much more than that in the modern game. If you're looking for your back three to bring the ball back then Hall, McGillveray and Hardaker at Full Back is the way to go.
In international RL it's a rarity for a winger to score tries without having to beat one or many defenders especially from close in, Hall and McGillveray are the best in that respect because of their sheer size and power.'"
which is exactly what Jerry did today, at one point he looked to have just crashed through 3 or 4 warrington defenders!
as Daz says, on current form, there isn't a winger to touch him in SL.
and also cudjoe is back to his best now, he was devastating today.
good for us certainly, could also be a boost for England too.
on another note, some of the England regulars were embarrassing for wire today!
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| not to mention the lethal left hand side with murphy ( another who would probably be lauded if he wore certain club colours)wardle and connor, we tore wire apart in every direction today
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| Quote ="meast"
on another note, some of the England regulars were embarrassing for wire today!'"
What England regulars?
Westwood? He's surely past his sell-by date now.
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| Westwood, clark, ratchford were shocking
as for penny, wheeler,monaghan,sandow, and "Sh*t Eorl crabtree" their bank managers must be absolutely wetting themselves!
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| mcgillvary has to be in the england squad now, the guy is unstoppable at the moment!
are you watching macnamara?!?! if so he will be in.
cudjoe and wardle may yet make the squad too.. wardle will play for scotland if not.
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| Quote ="meast"which is exactly what Jerry did today, at one point he looked to have just crashed through 3 or 4 warrington defenders!
as Daz says, on current form, there isn't a winger to touch him in SL.
and also cudjoe is back to his best now, he was devastating today.'"
How can you tell if Wire were so bad?
I'd probably look like England standard playing against this Wire team.
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| It's fantastic for England with the choices McNamara has.
Hall has been a regular and always plays well for England.
Briscoes been playing well since his return from injury and played really well in the CCF.
Jerrys the form winger and top try scorer.
Burgess is the future, with tons of pace and try scoring ability.
Then you have Lineham, Charnley and Makinson etc
at this moment in time I would choose Hall & Jerry but with the big games (Semis and Final) coming up, everything could easily change.
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| As an all round package, briscoe is by far the best winger in the comp. I'd play him and mcgilvray
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| Hall and McGillvary all the way with Makinson as back-up.
Although Briscoe has speed, I don't rate him as much as the other three.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"As an all round package, briscoe is by far the best winger in the comp. I'd play him and mcgilvray'"
really?
he's good, but "by far the best winger in the comp" ??
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