The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.

The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.

[u75,307[/u people have watched [u5[/u games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two [uFACTUAL AND ACTUAL [/unumbers.

This has to be one of the most tedious arguments in the history of western civilization.....................

You seem determined to pollute every thread with this nonsense, what a coincidence it conveniently matches your agenda. Your daft model insists on counting unique customers at this one single event but happily then allows the same unique person to be counted multiple times if they attend other pair of game combinations. And all because they got into these two Cardiff events on a single ticket? Statistical straw man nonsense. If the argument rests on how many individual fans attended games, you'd need to de-dupe the other matches too. Clearly that'd be a nonsense.

According to you if I buy a £70 combined ticket for the pair of matches in Cardiff, and then spend £30 on 2 x £15 tickets for the pair of PNG matches in Hull, I've only attended 3 games not 4? Even though the price of each game in Cardiff (£35) is more than double the price of each single game in Hull - so there's no withdrawing to the equally tenuous "you only paid for one match, the other was free" idiocy either...

Average attendance (the clue is in the title...) includes the 2 x 45k gates, aggregate sales might perhaps at a stretch include the 45k once - but even then I'd argue to be consistent you should combine tickets bought in other bulk buy price promotions too (there are several running). Really not that complicated matey.

This is simple

The average attendance will include 2x 45,000s as the attendance if both games was the same. This is universally accepted as calculating a double header. I can cite examples from Football, Baseball, Ice Hockey, Basketball, Rugby Union and other League games where this is done.

The average number of people attending will need gutterfax to speak to every person to find out if they intend to attend more than one game.

Attendance does not equal people attending. It is based on the terms of the sale of ticket not who turn up.

Absolute nonsense.

Another 'gutterfax is too stubborn to admit he is wrong' thread.

Another thread ruined by a pathetic argument.

The attendance per game is calculated on the terms of the ticket. It was sold as a double header. Therefore people bought a ticket for both games. Whether they elect to watch it or not or not attend at all (corporates for example) the attendance will be the same.

The attendance average is the higher figure and will be the average of ticket sales.
The 'people attending' average is the lower average (calculated over one less fixture) and is not accurate.

The gutterfax average suits his argument and expect him to stick to it.

No matter how you mess about both Cardiff games had the 40k plus figure and should be treated independantly.

There is no other way of doing it.

How difficult is it for you not to understand that the 45K was the SAME crowd for BOTH games?? SAME people! Please stop trying to cover the turd in chocolate and accept it was a poor crowd!

RL fans love polishing turds. Deary me.

He's right. You cannot change the facts. 45K at both games, same people or did another 45k replace the first lot of 45K people?

You can't count it any other way though, it's pretty simple.

There is a big fixation with "attendances" at Rugby League, no one ever says at Athletics, hey look at the crowd, look at all the empty seats, and no one says, the crowd for the 100m is 3500, how can you count the same crowd for the high jump.

Get a grip.

I'm pretty sure, though cannot say it is a FACT as others tend to, that some people have attended more than one game in the world cup.

We ought to check at the door how many games people are attending and adjust the attendance accordingly

I think it depends how they were charged for. If it cost double what you'd expect to pay for one game, there's justification in counting twice. If it cost the same as one ticket there's a lot less reason to count twice. Revenue-per-game is the measure that's of most practical use, although even there, it needs careful interpretation, because I'm fully supportive of discount tickets to attract audiences to 'minor' games. Revenue comes from many sources in the long term, and one thing that was essential for this tournament was to get the stadia full for the TV screens - and the newspaper pictures and reports - to get international RL taken seriously. That's been acheived quite well, certainly ahead of my expectations - the images of 2000 too seared on my brain. So far, I've read lots of positive reports in the press about 'sell out', 'big', 'passionate' crowds; attendances seem to have really neutralized the anti-League brigade. They'll still have a pop if the semi or the final aren't sold out - and TBH, not without justification - both really ought to sell out in the World Cup of the sport. Looks hopeful that they will.

I was already going to a good number of games, but the weekends action has encouraged me to get to a few more.

Top notch entertainment so far.

Oh, and for the record i don't care if my attendance at Cardiff is counted once, twice, half, three quarters, 66.66% or not at all. One of the most pointless debates EVER.

Have I stumbled on Geekfest?

At least when we argue over rugby it can be down to interpretation of the rules or opinion on what is good and bad.
Maths is constant. You can't change it by spinning it how you want.

Number of tickets sold is not the same as number of individual people attending the total number of games. No matter how much you argue, you are talking about two different things.

Let it go. I'm sure WoW won't just play itself guys.

No I brought a ticket and ATTENDED the England/OZ game and ATTENDED the Wales/Italt game.

All other sports do it...

I really dont care, but i bought a ticket for both games, watched both games, and should therefore be counted twice.

By this logic are you saying none of the 45k attended any other world cup game, because if they did you will have to remember to make a reduction!

One this for sure is this, the union set will be shooting there gissum all over these RL forums this coming weekend

I'll be attending 6 games in this World Cup, do I only count once?

The ACTUAL FACTS are:
Australia 28-20 England - Millennium Stadium, Cardiff - 45,052
Wales 16-32 Italy - Millennium Stadium, Cardiff - 45,052
Papua New Guinea 8-9 France - MS3 Craven Park, Hull - 7,481
New Zealand 42-24 Samoa - Haliwell Jones Stadium, Warrington - 13,965
Fiji 32-14 Ireland - Spotland Stadium, Rochdale - 8,872

5 games.
Total attendance = 120,422
Average attendance = 24,084

It's very simple really.

Personally, I would only count the MS attendance once rather than over two games. You can't exactly buy a ticket for just the one game. It's like saying the attendance for the Magic Weekend was 210,000.

When working out the average however, I wouldn't include the Wales game at all (or the England game, whichever way you prefer!). They were both part of the same event. It would be wrong to say 90,000 watched both and wrong to say 22,500 watched each. So just take one game out and class it as a single event.

So I'd go with the average being...
Eng vs Aus / Wal vs Ita - 45,052
PNG vs Fra - 7,481
NZ vs Sam - 14,965
Ire vs Fij - 8,872
Total - 76,370
Average (based on 4 events) - 19,093

Well said, how hard is it really to grasp the concept that 45k bought tickets to watch England v Australia and 45k bought tickets to watch Wales v Australia. It is irrelevant whether they're the same 45k people or not.

It's nothing to do with polishing a turd it's basic common sense.

How many of those in attendance were

1. Left handed
2. Ginger
3. 7+ uncut

Thanks in advance.

I'm 2 out of the 3, does my attendance only count as 2/3 of a person?

If you are left handed or ginger you are not a real person period