Smokey WT

You do make the VT a place not to visit with your incessant bollo* .

But this now isnt just about junior development , it is wholesale loss of identity for Championship clubs

When the DR system was 1 st proposed most fans of both Championship and SL clubs were of the opinion that it was a good idea for 2/3 players per club per season to aid their development , and the ' doomongers ' predicting wholesale squad dual registration was ridiculous , well that prediction has arrived, and now we have them saying " well lets see how it works out " , well now we are predicting further changes that will damage the lower tier competition

This time if we are right, there will be no going back, the damage will be permenant , you might be OK with that, if that is the ' plan ' then at least lets hear it from the horses mouth, then we know who to blame

I didnt disagree that there would be an issue with regards to identity for the lower league clubs. Which is why i said

I dont think the loaning out or dual registration of an entire squad of players is a good thing or something we should aim for. I also dont think it is the end solution that we are going for because it doesnt achieve or sets out to achieve the goals we have.

I think once you take the question of identity and independence out of the equation then it is clearly a positive thing to have more of our young players playing at a higher level. This not only benefits them, but the clubs they play for, like Leigh. Fans arent going to stop going to see Leigh because they have a squad of younger more talented players, the issue with the championships isnt that their squads are too young and too good and nobody is out there screaming for older inferior players.


Dual Reg has its place, and i think it would be bad thing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and get rid of it completely.

Widnes have Dual Registered their entire squad, there are suggestions Bradfird and Hull have done the same, Swinton had 9 Warrington DR players in their team at the LSV on friday, it has already arrived, the next progression will be SL 18-20 yr olds being loaned ' en bloc ' to their twinned clubs

This will complete the de valuing of the Championship to nothing more than a feeder league, with even the un twinned clubs suffering as a result

Every time a twinned club with 5 or more SL surplus ( not juniors ) beats an un twinned club you increase the likelyhood of that club losing support, similarily a twinned club will lose both players and potentially support when overusing SL reserves, especially when they dont perform

Dual Reg as 1 st suggested with maximum numbers ( 3 possibly 4 ) on season long deals was a good idea and worked well for all concerned, unfirtunatly the system has now gone too far, I would suggest it was designed to work this way from the start

lower leagues are feeder leagues, always have been always will be. The league isnt devalued by having better players playing in it.

The fact remains that these SL reserves wouldnt play if they werent better than what they were replacing. There is an obvious question in why we have a reserve competition with some better players than a first teams competition, why do we would have a big group of players, playing at a level below their ability, which stifles their development, when there is a league for them to play in, which better suits their ability and supports their development but has more older, inferior players.

Like most things, your lower league victim mentality has left you looking at it completely the wrong way and asking completely the wrong questions.

If SL reserves need to be playing in the championships to fulfil their potential, and if SL reserves playing in the championship would improve the quality of that league, and if SL wants young players playing in the championship because it would better prepare them for Super League

but

having large numbers of SL affiliated players damages the identity of the lower league clubs.

The question we should be asking, is why do we, as a game, have large numbers of players affiliated to a club they arent playing for. What does the game, as a whole, gain by signing these players up to SL clubs then loaning them to championship clubs to prove themselves that we would lose by those players proving themselves at championship clubs, then being signed up by SL clubs?

Gonna have to say it Smokey............you are a smug and ignorant person regarding the game of Rugby League and the fans that currently support it. In fact you may even be a member of the rfl board.

Feeder clubs would have no sponsorship, under 20 fixtures would not be televised, fans would no longer follow what is no longer their home team club (because it wouldn't be). There would be no financial backers left below SL. The decision to merge 4 academy teams into 2 at SL clubs is purely financial and pushes player development back 20 years. Time some Championship chairmen grew some and told SL to feck off.

On the plus side Smokey you are a quite entertaining read......but that's all

If you had read what i said, it would surely sink in, at some point, that I agree that we shouldnt turn the championships in to an SL reserve league.

But at some point you will have to accept, that barring a move to one huge league including all RL clubs at one level, there will be a feeder league.

He's the perpetual answer to a question nobody asked.

Whilst your attention is sweet and flattering, Im not interested. Your playground flirting whilst funny and almost endearing is still unrequited and always will be. Im afraid you have too much down below and not enough up top for me unfortunately.

But thanks all the same.

Ahhhhhhh Smokey. If there was ever anyone to stop me reading a thread, its you with your 'I'm right and your wrong' attitude. Just because you say you are right, it doesn't make it so. Where you a loner as a kid?

hull fc are hull krs feeder club and we give them our castoffs too



its a good arrangement

I think if you havent read it, you probably shouldnt comment on it .

Though i would be interested in what you actually disagree with because it seems everyone is largely in agreement on the main point, just a couple of of people who read what they wanted me to put rather than what i did.

Them and Vastpants, but he is just vastpants, If he ever managed to make a cogent argument I think he would pass out from the stress ala Will Ferrell in old school

You may know differently Steve but surely it's the Championship club who have registered the SL players as dual reg with themselves? Otherwise if say Widnes can register someone as a Workington player then Workington could not possibly be regarded as an independent club?

I would suggest its the SL club who makes the decision, it was Widnes that made the announcement

“Having spoken to our players about their recovery from non-selection or injury, playing for Workington is seen as a big step back into the Widnes first team.

this how betts sees it working so just like having a reserve team

I can understand that it's the SL club's decision to 'make its players available' for DR but surely only the CC club can actually register them to themselves with the RL? If not then the CC club are clearly no longer independent as their playing register is at the mercy of another team.

IMO many of the CC clubs are as bad as the SL in again going about things entirely short term. I suspect the dread of being relegated into the death league of CC1 is by far and away the major reason behind the CC clubs' thinking.

I'm sure relegation is one reason but these clubs lack the abillity to bring in revenue so these link ups reduce costs.
Clubs need less championship standard players on the books.
I think swinton have a free run with all warringtons training facilities.
The whole of batleys squad comes under huddersfields medical insurance.
I'm sure other money matters will come to light eventually.

Yet they've all aready signed up a full squad



Not sure how much the use of Warrington's training facilities will save Swinton. I'd have thought that either there'd be increased costs of travelling or they'd already got that covered in their use of the LSV.



Yes and the SL partner won't be asking for favours in return!



Such as being able to play someone on £60kpa and not only does it not cost you a bean but even if they play in all 26 league games only counts as £26k on your cap.

Haven't Swinton only got 16 or 17 players of their own registered

Who have signed a full squad?
The quality of warringtons training facillties will be well out of swintons range.Honestly its not that far from swinton to warrington.
Of course there'll be a very heavy price to pay at some point.
Yep, something like that.

So no danger of having to play 5 Warrington players very often then?

Hunslet, Workington and york to name but 3. In fact Wheels claims that York's squad is the best they've had for a long while yet they still need to (alledgedly) DR the whole of the Hull squad.



Yes, not far, 30ish mile round trip for the 1st team squad, coaches etc along the M60/62 in the evening a couple of times a week.



Won't they just.......

York have 11 Hull players dual-registered.

That number is irrelevant though, they can still play no more than 5 of them.

Mr dog, they will play 5 wires more often than they don't. Anybody thought about the fact players could leave Wire and sign for Swinton, then re sign for wire at season end.......oh have i just found a loop hole?

How is that any different from the system we had 5 years ago?