Not "recognised", because "recognised" in that context would mean i think current black players better than they are, but I don't. We're picking teams based on the best available, and long may that continue.

But what i'm saying is that if RL in England wants to be taken seriously as a sport, and if English League wants to be as high quality as down under, we MUST make a conscious effort to move into non-white areas and grow the game

How will we ever compete with Australia fielding an all white team? How is SL ever going to be to the standard of the NRL with the 2nd tier athletes we have now? it's laughable. and it's going to get even more laughable down the line

its not my opinion that african britons are better athletically equipped for league, its an indisputable fact. so once we've established that why wouldn't we want to better the spectacle and try to improve the number of black participants?

I didn't mean to be antagonistic, though probably I am. But I think the question in itself isn't necessarily untoward or controversial. I tried to best explain what I meant, and even added a humorous poll option to not be that.

I can see why it would be seen that way, but if i meant to be antagonistic I could have made a racier thread title

And i better straighten it out. League IS an inclusive sport and as you mention we've led the way. It's a working class game and nobody gives a what colour you are. If you can play you can play. I'm very proud of the game in that regard, and for me it's a trademark of working class northerners to have that mentality. At the same time though i do think it a shame that many great black athletes aren't playing or aware of league

maybe i should have taken more time wording my posts

Have you seen the England squad? It's not all white. Then you have the likes of Ellis who's more than capable playing regulary down in Australia.

I think you are wrong. The whole African Americans being bred in such a way is another case of american exceptionalism in my opinion

African Americans aren't necessarily any bigger or stronger than black britons or black french or anyone else. They happen to have an extremely impressive athletic system, not to mention a monstrous population, that's about it though

i'm not a scientist, but i don't think that's right, even though i've heard it a lot

So, our national RL team will get laughed at because there's too many White men in it ? how many black men should be an acceptable number to be taken seriously then ?

there isn't enough Eastern Europeans playing RL either even though there's plenty of them living in and around RL strongholds is that also a problem ?

Are you mad? You keep responding with posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. What does Ellis have do with africans, polynesians and australia indigenous being better suited to league than caucasians? What does caucasian league players being better than black british players have to do with black britons being better suited to league than caucasians?

you keep mentioning things that don't even matter. all of your posts are off topic.

you seem to be of the belief that i've said all black people are inherently better than all white people

It's not about having a set number of black players, it's about having a good enough team. There IS a reason that the NRL is only just over 60% white right now, and there's a reason in 20 years that white people in the NRL will be maybe 40% of the competition. And that reason is because the polynesians and indigenous down there are better suited genetically to the game

just like west africans are better suited to the game. And if in 20 years our team is the same demographic as we are now, the facts would suggest we're going to get smashed.

what do Eastern Europeans have to do with anything, are they better athletes than white britons?

Yes you should.

If you'd have posted the above paragraph first, you may have received a more measured response and it could have lead to an interesting debate about why RL isn't attracting more black and minority ethnic youngsters at youth and amateur level. As it is, you've been fairly criticised for suggesting that the game should only be interested in a certain race of people, due to your skewed perception that they are genetically predisposed to be superior athletes.

TBH your posts are sounding a bit that way......ie why arent blacks more prominent in RL cos they are better athletes, and the national team is a laughing stock cos there is not enough black players in it etc etc ....surely you can see why its been translated that way !!

I thought my initial post explained well enough, if not then people could have asked me to elaborate rather than calling me a fool.

And my perception is not skewed, west africans are superior league athletes.

Please don't put words in my mouth, I haven't said the game should be interested in only anyone, I've said until we get black people playing the game a, we aren't going to be taken seriously and b, the game is going to be 2nd tier and we're going to lose more and more to Aus and NZ

the facts are there. the only thing taht seems to be controversial is that a lot of insular white members on here can't accept that africans and polynesians are better fit for the game athletically

I brought up Ellis because he plays for england! You said how are we ever going to compete if we play all white players against Australia. I was just saying Ellis is more than a match against the Aussies as proven on regular basis so why can't other white players do the same.

Why not just make white people into better athletes ?? it works both ways , your saying that RL HAS to get more black people involved or it cannot be taken seriously, so why not jsut make the white people playing the game into better players to compete ? why does it HAVE to be that black people are the only people that can ever improve our game ?

But my posts don't need translating mate, they are what they are, if somebody wants to find deeper meaning that's their or your prerogative.

My view is that the best athletes in the country aren't playing or don't know about league. How's that a controversy or me being a fool?

Ellis is one man and he's a forward, i'm not talking about forwards, we have the forwards covered

because you can't make people into better athletes. athleticism can be improved on, but it's something you're born with. Africans and polynesians are born with more

I'm not making this up or crazy, the facts show i'm right. already black people in the north have disproportionate representation in league because they're better athletes, and the same is true in australia/nz with indigenous/polynesian people

why can't we make white women have bigger bums? sure we can give them cake to eat, but it doesn't really work the same does it

You are aware that more Juniors are playing Rugby League in London than in any other area of the country, aren't you?

You did - in an earlier post for example, you said you weren't interested in attracting more Asian people to the game, because they had nothing to add in terms of athleticism.



I'm not sure they are - there are a lot of opinions however, some that don't agree with yours.

Tomkins, charnley, brough, widdop, Robinson, graham, Roby?? To name a few more than capable!

i think you ought to take this secret evidence of possible world RL domination to Red Hall mate, i'm sure if you explain what you have to us on here they will surely have to take on board your facts and go out of their way to get more black people involved in RL so we dont become this laughing stock !!

i hear what your saying but i think your trying to push your message across rather forceably therefore making people think you have some form of agenda or issue here...

Agreed, can see what your saying but to say that a white England team isn't capable to beat the Aussies is a harsh

You are aware that London is a pretty big place, aren't you?



Yes, but I think you're struggling to comprehend basic English... Did I say the game should only be interested in black people? No. so no i haven't said that. try again



opinions are opinions mate, lets discuss the facts. Fact - black people are disproportionately represented in league. start there, find me an opinion to trump that........... shall i wait or get my coat?



token, token, token, token, token, token etc. You're barmy mate. you still seem to think i'm of the opinion there are no great white athletes, but that's not what i've said, ever.

go browse the dailymail or something mate. obviously insecure white person is obvious.



My agenda or issue is that black people are better athletes, so yes i have one. this is only problematic or aggressive however if you're an insecure bigoted white man.

I'm white, it doesn't bother me acknowledging that the black population of britain generally are better athletes than the white population.

We're already a laughing stock, btw, i'm just suggesting a way to stop the rot. But hey, lets just pretend white people aren't being muscled out of the game in Australia because they're athletically lesser than their counterparts, and lets pretend we can field all white players for infinite and win based on the superior skill and talent of the SL competition

I don't care if its harsh, it's true. We sure as hell aren't going to trump them for skill, how else do you think we'll do it? be reasonable

Can I first say that I think we will never have an all white team because there are some brilliant black players in our league and in the squad currently. I think super league is getting stronger and getting more quality players starting at younger age and we are closing the gap. Who ever wants to play RL be wether white or black we should be training them up to become better athletes rather than saying the British game is too white.

Blacks aren't better athletes really, just as whites aren't better athletes. Every race has examples of strong, big, fast people aswell as it's share of unathletic slobs. You might look at Olympic events and see the sprinting events (for men especially) being dominated by Black folk but then you look at things like swimming and wrestling being dominated by whites. No race is superior to any other. If blacks were much more better suited to RL then they would be dominating RL.

Maybe there are so many whites playing the game because they have far more powerful brains than blacks so are much better equipped for Rugby. Sounds rediculous doesn't it? But then again, so does your argument.

not gonna bother getting into an argument about race, but on the london debate i agree RL is a nothing sport down there. i spend about half of the year in bromley as i work in london. i wanted to watch the grand final the other year no pubs in the area would put it on as wales under 21s were playing norway or summat.
im not saying the RFL aren't trying but the londoners (who i know anyway) just aren't interested at all.