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| would severely deplete attendance figures IMO.
RL values itself as a family sport. Its one thing asking families to allow their kids a late night on a friday when the weekend is free. Its another thing entirely when kids have school the next day.
The short notice change of fixtures when matches get moved to the Sky monday game will also play havoc with fans who work shifts or live and work outside the local area. Such things then become big disincentives to buying season tickets.
Only plus side is with regard to armchair viewers.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"would severely deplete attendance figures IMO.
RL values itself as a family sport. Its one thing asking families to allow their kids a late night on a friday when the weekend is free. Its another thing entirely when kids have school the next day.
The short notice change of fixtures when matches get moved to the Sky monday game will also play havoc with fans who work shifts or live and work outside the local area. Such things then become big disincentives to buying season tickets.
Only plus side is with regard to armchair viewers.'"
And there is your answer. Armchair viewers. We are only a tv comodity and have to do as we are told.
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| Quote ="Starbug"But thats why you get your SKY million
Welcome to our world'"
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| The sport needs to put the players and the fans first. This doesn't do that for either.
This is bad news, giving sky more control can't be a good thing. Unless they want to offer the sport some more money they can do one.
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| They've given you a 5yr multi million pound deal what more do you want
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"You reckon?
What will Sky do differently to promote the game that they don't already do for Fridays and Saturdays?
It's not like they've overrun with other live sport to show on a Friday, but it doesn't lead to wall-to-wall previews and coverage of that night's live game.
Sky shifting a game to Monday is a step backwards in terms of their RL coverage IMO - it puts it on a par with other midweek fillers like greyhound racing and speedway.'"
Well it'll be advertised for the full weekend, and when the full weekend's fixtures are over it'll be the main focus of advertising.
Friday's advertising gets mixed in with the rest of the weekend's promos. After Sunday, there's nothing left to focus on except MNF.
I don't see how Mondays can put us on a par with small sports when it's when they put the Premier League on. It's a very pessimistic view IMO.
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| So far the concensus is
Great, so long as it isn't my club, a fair bit of hypocrisy on show here, the thing is , will it end up being the less glamourous clubs playing on Mondays? , or will we see local derbies and top team Lancs/Yorks matches?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So far the concensus is
Great, so long as it isn't my club, a fair bit of hypocrisy on show here,'"
Who's said that?
Quote ="Starbug"the thing is , will it end up being the less glamourous clubs playing on Mondays? , or will we see local derbies and top team Lancs/Yorks matches?'"
Local games would make sense for Mondays if travelling/attendances are an issue. Maybe not the biggest derbies, but games like Cas vs Hudds, Wakey vs Bradford, Salford vs Warrington, Wigan vs Widnes, etc. The Hull teams will just have to put up with whatever but it would make sense to make it Yorkshire clubs.
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| i love the idea, being a night shift worker getting a monday night off is much easier than a friday or saturday... bring it on!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Who's said that?
Local games would make sense for Mondays if travelling/attendances are an issue. Maybe not the biggest derbies, but games like Cas vs Hudds, Wakey vs Bradford, Salford vs Warrington, Wigan vs Widnes, etc. The Hull teams will just have to put up with whatever but it would make sense to make it Yorkshire clubs.'"
Not outright, but generally the opinion is " great for TV, but will kill attendances " , or " What about kids ? "
Maybe we'll get local games like we got, Barrow at Leigh, or Leigh at Sheffield, or just pick all the biggest matches like us and Widnes,Fax and Fev
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| I struggle with Friday games and Monday games are just impossible, i wish Wire's games were all played on a Sunday personally.
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| Would prefer Monday night to Saturday teatime, from a personal perspective. Might expose the game to a bigger audience.
My only concern is for those teams who have to back up the following Friday. 4 days break is as bad as easter.
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| Think it does show SKY (who have always publicised our game well) are going to really push RL this year. Saw a dedicated advert for it today, and we're two weeks away from the season.
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| Sky seem to have an attitude of the less that can actually make the game the better.
With Friday games the fans consensus is it should only be between local teams, but Sky will stick Hull v Saints or Wigan v London on and rub their hands.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Would prefer Monday night to Saturday teatime, from a personal perspective. Might expose the game to a bigger audience.
My only concern is for those teams who have to back up the following Friday. 4 days break is as bad as easter.'"
Once again slugger us part timers do it all the time, sunday-thursday , then get up for work a few hours later, the interesting thing is ( no disrespect ) will it be the ' lesser ' clubs that get this slot?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Once again slugger us part timers do it all the time, sunday-thursday , then get up for work a few hours later, the interesting thing is ( no disrespect ) will it be the ' lesser ' clubs that get this slot?'"
If it replaces the Saturday game, it will probably the less glamorous clubs.
Every team is different, I suppose, but it wouldn't affect Wakey too much if the following game is a home game, as we tend to play Sunday, and the same for Cas. Could be bad for Salford though, or Leeds, or Wigan, or Saints, who tend to play on Friday.
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| How long do we think this has been in the pipeline? Good timing of the announcement (or leak) from a club and sky point of view as most people have already bought their season tickets!
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| Quote ="mistermoo"How long do we think this has been in the pipeline? Good timing of the announcement (or leak) from a club and sky point of view as most people have already bought their season tickets!'"
what difference does that make to anything ?
the reason MNF was brought in by SKY all those years ago (with the pre match firework displays and all) was because they saw monday evening as a 'dead' evening for the sportsfan in addition to being the day back at work after the weekend when most people are as miserable as sin with nothing but the working week to look forward to.
MNF was seen as an innovation and it certainly worked for me and obviously for SKY tv whose viewing figures were given a nice boost on an otherwise dead night for them.
As Jonny said,let's give it a try before we criticise it !
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| Quote ="Starbug"Not outright, but generally the opinion is " great for TV, but will kill attendances " , or " What about kids ? "'"
Ah, so absolutely nothing like you originally said. You were just being a cynic again (surprise) and painting a bad picture for your own self gratification.
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Baring in mind that you only have one TV slot, they'll usually pick the more attractive games to the viewer. We have two, so it's more workable. Doesn't mean they'll do it, but they're in a better position to.
Sometimes I think you'd be better off just watching the amateur game, personally.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"what difference does that make to anything ?
the reason MNF was brought in by SKY all those years ago (with the pre match firework displays and all) was because they saw monday evening as a 'dead' evening for the sportsfan in addition to being the day back at work after the weekend when most people are as miserable as sin with nothing but the working week to look forward to.
MNF was seen as an innovation and it certainly worked for me and obviously for SKY tv whose viewing figures were given a nice boost on an otherwise dead night for them.
As Jonny said,let's give it a try before we criticise it !'"
I don't think I criticised it did I?
My point was why haven't Sky announced it earlier and only when the clubs have already got fan's cash from season ticket sales.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Ah, so absolutely nothing like you originally said. You were just being a cynic again (surprise) and painting a bad picture for your own self gratification.
Baring in mind that you only have one TV slot, they'll usually pick the more attractive games to the viewer. We have two, so it's more workable. Doesn't mean they'll do it, but they're in a better position to.
Sometimes I think you'd be better off just watching the amateur game, personally.'"
It is exactly as I originally posted, lots of moaning and groaning going on , my reply was to your suggestion of local matches, I was just pointing out that SKY dont give a stuff about arranging local matches on Thursdays
As for watching just the amatuer game, why ?
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| Quote ="mistermoo"I don't think I criticised it did I?
My point was why haven't Sky announced it earlier and only when the clubs have already got fan's cash from season ticket sales.'"
not saying you did criticise (and no offence intended) but it was just a general point to everyone to give it a chance and see if it works,just backing up Jonny the leythers point.
regarding the season tickets etc - the last thing SKY is interested in is the humble fan - as I said earlier all SKY want to do is put bums on living room seats - seems good business to me as I am already looking forward to the monday night games being a predominantly armchair fan nowadays.
the MNRL won't make that much difference to the average fan,if any at all,t's similar to a friday night game for the travelling fan if it's an away fixture but shouldn't affect the vast majority of home fans although there will always be a few who will be inconvenienced
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| Quote ="Starbug"It is exactly as I originally posted, lots of moaning and groaning going on , my reply was to your suggestion of local matches, I was just pointing out that SKY dont give a stuff about arranging local matches on Thursdays '"
No, you were saying people were being hypocrites. Your second one wasn't implying that at all, and were genuine and justified reasons people were thinking.
Quote ="Starbug"As for watching just the amatuer game, why ?'"
Because you seem to complain about EVERYTHING that happens in the pro game. Expansion. Sponsorship. TV deals. Developments. There is nothing that makes you happy.
If you watch the amateur game, you can be happy that it's just to do with what happens on the field, just like RU pre-1995.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"No, you were saying people were being hypocrites. Your second one wasn't implying that at all, and were genuine and justified reasons people were thinking.
Because you seem to complain about EVERYTHING that happens in the pro game. Expansion. Sponsorship. TV deals. Developments. There is nothing that makes you happy.
If you watch the amateur game, you can be happy that it's just to do with what happens on the field, just like RU pre-1995.'"
I'm certainly not complaining about this, I think its hilarious, I'll stop complaining about the RFLs dealings with the Championships when they start actually engaging their brains efore making the decisions
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