I thought that I should post to clarify this.

According to the written notes released by the UKAD, Gleeson was actually given the tablets from Sean Long. Long had spoken to Cooper, the conditioner, and had obtained clearance for the tablets to be used.

This is found in part 2.3 of the PDF, page 2.

After dropping that ball for Rovers to score a try , he should have been tested for sleeping pills.

Would have been such a quiet off season if it wasn't for Hull FC, do they ever learn?

Why do you think Adam cleaned house when he took over?

The only thing Gleeson did wrong was agree to lie about getting clearance for the supplement directly from Ben Cooper rather than via Sean Long. Even then he clearly had second thoughts and it was him that shopped the other two. I feel sorry for him TBH - he didn't set out to break any rules and if Ben Cooper was halfway competent this would never have happened.

I'm deeply disappointed with Rule. It's not clear if the plan to lie to the authorities was all his idea but he was certainly the facilitator and coordinator. He should have had the balls to sack Cooper and plead for clemency from the UKDA based on the truth.

Did under Adams regime FC sign Aspinwall?

Wooh wooh Gavin. I haven't said anything of the sort. I was on a bit of a fishing mission there, I'll admit (didn't think I'd catch a big un like you, I was after proper Saints fans, not plastic York ones

), but the point I was getting at is that it must be for more than supplying him with it, as Cunningham was let off for it.

Good little jab you've had there though. We all know the RFL don't like Hull FC and treat us differently

Fair point. Not what this thread is about though and it has been dealt with. All clubs have disciplinery issues. Some take longer to deal with them than others.

I do agree that we shouldn't have touched him in the first place if we're trying to get a more squeaky clean feel about the club. He was always high risk. He's been dealt with appropriately and will be on probably his last ever chance at the top level.

Still not as stupid as signing Stuart Reardon on the day we launched a domestic violence campaign (and then it being found out he failed the medical!) so a load of bad press for absolutely nothing!

I’d forgotten about that gem. We are so lucky to be shut of that band of idiots.

Pah, bugger off you.

He's also only himself to blame if he wasn't aware.

Ignorance is no defence.

It's about taking responsibility for one's actions.

Having read the Ben Cooper report I now agree that fault lies with him rather than Gleeson/Long. Apologies.

How convenient.

Perhaps you could start a Gleeson & Long are innocent campaign?

Long hasn't been charged with anything and thus is innocent already.

Gleeson never denied that he'd inadvertently taken a banned substance and hasn't tried to challenge the guilty verdict. As you said in your other post the ultimate responsibility for checking any supplement lies with the athlete, although in this case he was given duff information - albeit second-hand - by someone he had every right to trust.

He was found innocent of any wrongdoing because the conditioner at the time was proven to be a fraud. The RFL had employed him prior to Saints and I believe had recommended him to Saints. That's aside from the relative lack of education, information and clarification of responsibility that there was then compared to now in RL when it comes to banned substances. I believe that it is ultimately the player's responsibility to check against the list of banned substances readily available on the UKDA website before taking anything, whether recommended by their conditioner or not.

Nah, they both have history together for being numb as pumps.

Quote ="SaintsFan"He was found innocent of any wrongdoing because the conditioner at the time was proven to be a fraud.'" Probably innocent too when he was also helping Longy's father promote his dodgy health and sports nutrition stall at Wigan market. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004/jan/31/rugbyleague

Quote ="SaintsFan"He was found innocent of any wrongdoing because the conditioner at the time was proven to be a fraud.'" Probably innocent too when he was also helping Longy's father promote his dodgy health and sports nutrition stall at Wigan market. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004/jan/31/rugbyleague

Well said ,could not agree more.

Will there be/should there be any punishment of Hull FC for this?

We got there in the end



seeing as everyone involved in the fiasco has now either left or sacked what would be the point and would it be legal ?

I just posed the same question on our board.

My own view is that if this story gains sufficient attention in the mainstream media, the RFL may decide to issue a points deduction and/or a fine, to address any suggestion that they are toothless or don't take these matters seriously enough. People will say of course that neither Wigan or WTW copped such sanctions when Messrs Hock and Newton were busted for drug cheating - they key difference is that in neither of those cases was there any suggestion that club officials were involved in an attempted cover-up.

Either way, It's a sordid mess and does the game no favours at all.

Its just been all over BBC news 24.

It's all over everything, unfortunately.

Lets just hope they catch the rest of the cheating players soone rather than later, because as much has the powers that be will have you believe these are one offs the game is rife with P. E.Drugs.