What utter bollox

So if we follow your logic then ever drop goal done in the history of the game was a knock on

Eh?

I'm saying the exact opposite.

McGuire's wasn't a knock on because it was a drop kick.

It's video ref Ganson who is trying to outlaw drop goals not me.

Yes it was , you are talking complete bollox , so either you are thick or are just attempting to wind up

A drop kick is meant to be kicked at the point the ball hits the ground , not after it has bounced

You know this as does everybody else

It was a knock on , simple as

"a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground"

That's the definition of a drop kick in the laws of the game. Not simultaneous contact between ball, ground and boot but immediately after it has rebounded from the floor.

McGuire did that. The ball wasn't bouncing round the floor for seconds before he kicked it. He met the ball as it bounced from the pitch.

What happened was that Alibert asked the wrong question in saying "did it hit the ground?", wrong because drop kicks ARE allowed to hit the ground.

He should have asked if the ball was dropped deliberately rather than accidentally and did McGuire kick it soon enough to qualify as a drop kick.

As I recall Ganson didn't watch a single replay in real time in making his decision so how can he possibly have judged if the ball was "kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground" as required by the laws?

The fact is that, in the heat of the moment, the 3 officials seems to have had a collective brain fart and forgotten about the possibility of a drop kick and instead got confused with a situation where a ball is dropped accidentally by a player and must then be kicked before it hits the ground if not to be ruled a knock on.

Well your hardly being honest then are you. I understand fans like you have it in for Wigan, but it gets that bad that you have to find every decision that went for Wigan and ignore every one that went for Leeds and then claim the that Wigan got all the decisions. Why cant you watch a Wigan game without being biased and watch both teams rather than just picking up every little thing Wigan do. Im not for once saying Wigan didnt get some decisions, but so did Leeds.

I cant believe some people are convincing themselves it was a try based on it being a drop goal. Have you every seen a drop goal from that position before?

Rugby League fans have got to be the most baised fans in any sport. Had that happened the other way round and it was Sam doing the 'drop kick', everyone on here would be saying it wasnt a try.

Can you not get your head round the difference between a drop kick and a drop goal?

Just because all drop goals are drop kicks doesn't mean that all drop kicks are drop goals (successful or otherwise).

I've never previously seen a half-volley kick ruled a knock-on. It was a good hit from Tomkins, a great play from Maguire, and I would have ruled it as a try, even accepting that the ball touched the ground before the boot made contact. It would have made amends for the shocking forward pass that gave Wigan the ascendency. Between those two decisions, it's hard not to conclude that the officials decided the result, against the balance of the play. Shame, after such a cracking contest.

Do you actually believe that tripe? Or is this your first week watching RL?

He dropped the ball, it hit the floor. It's immediately a knock-on. As such, the fact he kicked it a moment later is irrelevant. A drop-kick is only permitted for a drop-out kick or when kicking for a drop-goal.

Seriously, I've seen some fans crying in desperation for a try (we're all guilty of it at times) but this is embarrassing. It was a knock-on - granted, a matter of a split-second - but it's as clear as day. Clutching at straws doesn't even come close.

Can you not get your head around a no try? or even a knock on?

If you show me where it says that in the laws of the game I'll readily concede that I'm wrong.

Following your logic, if a player drops the ball accidentally he can lash out with the foot and if he connects just [iafter [/iit bounces, it's play on.

You're making a fool of yourself.

I was at Cas so I didn't see the incident, but a dropkick is made when the ball is deliberately placed on the foot on the half-volley. If the player drops the ball and kicks it on the half volley, then it is a knock-on.

You can make a drop kick anywhere you want, quite a few grubber kicks are done on the half volley.

I understand that, but this wasn't a drop-kick, no matter how far certain people stretch their imagination.

McGuire shaped to kick as Tomkins tackled him - it was this tackle that put him off making a clean kick. The ball hit the floor, bounced up and McGuire knocked it forward with his foot.

There was a clear bounce, then a split-second before contact with the foot. Knock-on.

Who cares? Video ref says no try. Game goes on. Thats sport. Move on.

In that case he's lost control, it's a knock-on.

I think you may find that Steve Fox is the same Steve Fox who had a piece in the League Express and has been a follower of Widnes for many years.

Well in that case he's [ireally [/iembarrassing himself.

No wonder they dropped his column.

The man, he speaketh sense. What's the point in arguing about it, when there is nothing you can do?

Spot on...

I'm under the impression that a drip kick in the field of play has to be a goal attempt. He clearly didn't go for goal, so he just messed his timing up due to the pressure from Tomkins, so knock on.

Anyone that thinks a player purposely attempts to do a drop-grubber is clutching at straws. From a technical coaching point of view, to attempt to hit the ball on the half volley is a lot harder to control than straight out the boot, so it is a ridiculous practice.

And Tomkins had every right to challenge. He was committed to the tackle. McGuire had the ball in hands when he made the attempt. What was he meant to do? Leave him? He could have dummied.

It was a clear knock on. And if any similar incidents have been given in the past, then they were wrong. Doesn't make this any more right!

First just a reminder: we have touch judges in RL, not linesmen. Wigan can thank Sam Tomkins for stopping Maguire's try. He clearly went to try a grubber kick, but Tomkin's grasp at his arm disturbed the play, the ball hit the ground first and threfore is was a knock-on, no try. Anyone who suggests Maguire was attemting a drop kick is clutching at straws. Yes, it may have 'evened out' the forward pass for Richards's try, but two wrongs don't make a right.

First just a reminder: we have touch judges in RL, not linesmen. Wigan can thank Sam Tomkins for stopping Maguire's try. He clearly went to try a grubber kick, but Tomkin's grasp at his arm disturbed the play, the ball hit the ground first and threfore is was a knock-on, no try. Anyone who suggests Maguire was attemting a drop kick is clutching at straws. Yes, it may have 'evened out' the forward pass for Richards's try, but two wrongs don't make a right.

I find myself amused at the thought of Steve Fox coming from Yorkshire.

Class.