For what it's worth...I believe that opposition players are fair game for the 80 minutes. Sean Long gets abused when he plays against Wigan. Gary Connolly the same when he played against Saints, this was just for playing for the wrong team. If a player is to be stupid enough to engage in fellatio with a canine, and have someone photograph it, they are fair game as far as i'm concerned on the playing field. If that then migrates into his personal life, IE he gets abused in the street by opposition fans, then there may be a problem. He committed an act of beastiality which is illegal, and thus, deserves any 'Abuse' or 'Taunts' he may receive from the opposition fans. The same as say, Ben Cockayne or Leon Pryce or Stuart Reardon or Feka did when they were found to have blatantly broken the law. Nobody whinged about the poor rugby player getting a bit of stick then.

Bizarrely it isn't in the ACT (Australian Capital Territory) where Monaghan is from.

That surprises me actually. You would expect it to be legal in Tasmania or some counties of England... but not the ACT...


Joking aside I know what you are saying. He will cop it off the crowd. You wont be able to stop it. How can you police it?

But fundamentally is the crowd verbally abusing Monaghan much different than abusing Gareth Thomas?

I hope the RFL are ready to fine every club in SL (except Wire), because he is going to get abused by all and sundry at Millennium magic.

Why were no clubs punished when they fans abused Sean Long and Martin Gleeson for placing bets?

Why were us Wigan fans not fined for giving Adam Fogarty abuse for decking Jack Duckworth in corrie?

Monaghan did something shameful, Gareth Thomas has not.

Unless Barry you are saying that being Homosexual is the same as bestiality?

You are not saying that are you Barry, please tell me you are not

I have a job , and I'm aware of ' Bullying & harrassment policies ' etc

so yes ' making fun of your work colleague is not allowed.
If you read the post I didn't condone . I just state it's going to happen and the wisdom of Tony Smith using the RFL code on Equity & Diversity ( Human Right Act 198icon_cool.gif to basically threaten? he's stoking the ire , not damping it down .

It's there to protect :-
Equal Pay ,Religion, Age Discrimination, Sexual Discrimination , Gender Reassignment , Race Relations , Disability , Sexual orientation ,
Nowhere, can I see a link to a foolish prank committed on a drunk night out being made public. unless the mockery is made by one of his work colleagues, he might have a case then ..

All Barry McKenzie is saying is 'abuse' is 'abuse'...whether it's down to a person being a homosexual, having ginger hair, being fat, having a relationship with an animal, being English or whatever is percieved by the person as being different to their own values.

So if the RFL hammered Castleford for the Gareth Thomas chants...then they should hammer any other club that allows its supporters to use insulting or abusive chants towards Monaghan?

We shall see what happens next season......

I understand in principle but in practice it will be impossible to police.

If i shout abuse at Ben Cockayne for the assault, should i be punished?

If an opposition player performs a high tackle on a Wigan player and i should "you dirty get"!!", should i be punished?.

Sam Tomkins knocks the ball on, over the try line and i scream "bl00dy hell Sam!!, should i be punished?.

Although i am obviously being pedantic. If the RFL want to punish clubs for species for screaming at JM then they should surely fine clubs for the other examples, after all they are all forms of abuse.

Poor examples.

No one would mind too much about the first one and it would be more surprising if the second one DIDN'T happen


You are right though, it will be more or less impossible to police.


Edit: Yes you should be punished... for being a Wigan fan who I'm guessing will be purchasing that revolting new Wigan jersey.

Hang your head in shame sir....

Is there some sort of reverse pyschology going on ?

It invites it even more.

Could I just point out for all those people who appear to have lost all sense of perspective that Monaghan was photographed during a “simulated sex act with a dog” – he did not commit an act of beastiality so it is irrelevant whether it is unlawful or not

As for any abuse/ridicule/stick etc etc that he gets from the fans – it is well deserved... he is an idiot for compromising his career as a professional sportsman and public figure (and not least for thinking that simulating a sex act with a dog is funny)

A cynical person might think Tony 'I'm definately English now' Smith has said this in order to raise the sports governing bodies awareness to the inevitable events that will happen at every ground in SL (apart from Harlequins) in order that the RFL might impose big fines and/or points deductions on the opposition.....


Just a thought....

I can't believe this is has turned into a credible discussion. For it even to be likened to abuse of gay people is laughable. Maybe it says a lot about the OP and his countrymens perspective on these issues



What's great is we've got first bite at the cherry if he plays against us on Boxing Day - I can't wait

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Maybe we should [isilent whistle [/ihim and then we won't get into trouble with the thought police.

I plan on abusing him at the Wire ground, then Wire will be responsible for not policing the crowd properly. Suck on that, Big Nose.

When is your 8th birthday?

It doesnt matter if you abuse someone for being gay or for wearing the wrong colour socks... it's abuse.

Sorry to break that to you

I feel so disillusioned right now Anyways, it's started already; viewtopic.php?f=35&t=477419

I feel so disillusioned right now Anyways, it's started already; viewtopic.php?f=35&t=477419

Probably Moran paying the RFL off to give Joel a easy time. Warrington are cheats!

If you dont want your players to be abused , dont sign players that abuse dogs , simple really

If the RFL were serious about dishing out fines for any kind of abuse aimed at a player then most clubs would recieve a fine every week. Especially ours for negativity against KP

The first 'abuse' in this thread?

just a thought : does anyone think Gareth Hock will get nasty comments made during games in 2011 ? ie 'cheat' etc ? if so,is THIS 'abuse' and should it be punished ?

Well Ryan Hudson got some stick but it fizzled out after only a few rounds so I suspect Hock with his in your face nature will rightly get plenty of stick when he starts lashing out but I can't see it lasting too long.

So Monaghan gets barked at, sang dog related songs and has a couple of chants made for him...I am sure he won't understand much of it and what he does understand he will take with a pinch of salt possibly even have a good chuckle to himself about it because I am sure he would do the same in our position (not doggy!). If he found simulating an act on a dog funny he's gotta find the songs and chants funny too surely?!

Did it for real instead?

This is just Smith supporting his player as he tries to settle in. Nothing more, nothing less. If grown men want to amuse themselves by singing songs about dogs and barking than I think that says more about them than it does Joel Monaghan. I doubt whether Smith gives a toss whether anyone gets fined or not.

i dont care what he did in australia but if he touches the andrex puppy...

Wasn't going to join in on this thread, just laugh at the pictures.

But from the Cas side we have talked this to death.

Shortly after the 'Thomas' book PR event and subsequent fine Cas fans were scouring SKY for any indiscretions and then lo and behold Leeds giving stick to James Graham and Mr Silverwood.
Now some fans contacted RFL quoting the 'RESPECT' campaign, can you guess what happened?
Abuse is Abuse just does not cut it with the RFL selective hearing office, and I agree with other posters where does this stop?