no offence but its just another excuse of an australian not looking further than his nose. It must be why the spiders are so big there, they've been playing and breeding on their own for so so long.

Still; ill be there to change that in a fortnight

they will never have heard of garry owen either, no doubt

The Kiwi Origin was first mooted by NZRL in 2007. They were going to call it "Kiwi Roots" and it was North v South with the dividing line being the Bombay Hills.

So the fact that the Maoris and Aboriginals were there first means that it isn't a race based team? How about Skippies vs Wogs to follow?

Or over here Whites (original inhabitants so nothing wrong) vs Darkies.

I know. I don't think it time makes it any better. The Lions dropped Batten so they could tour South Africa, does this mean it is okay not to play any non-whites in 2010?

FWIW the original New Zealand Natives had some white players as well as Maori.

I can't see an NZ origin taking off, there just isn't any natural divide that will spark the emotion of NSW v Qld. For the most part us kiwi's get along and would rather bash another country than each other.
Aboriginal v Maori's would be great to see again, the World Cup curtain raiser was played with more passion than I have seen in most origin games the last few years.

Really? Where does [urlhttp://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/ceos-meet-to-take-nrl-to-another-level-20101129-18du6.html[/url lead to then?




I don't claim to be...I do have an interest in Kiwi RL......I get paid to have an interest. Let's clear that up.
As it is, the NRL can bugger off. NZRL need to ensure their fledgling 7 zone comp continues, unlike its earlier attempts. It needs the Auckland branch to tow the line and stop being a pain and the last thing it needs is a "trial" game between Kiwis, that the Australian Clubs can use to fill their ranks with more Kiwi players. 65% of the players in last years Toyota cup were Kiwi Quialified...the production line here is working fine......the 7 zone comp will grow....and the only thing the NRL need to do is get a 2nd NZ team in their comp.....not try to create an origin series for the benefit of the NRL.


a stock comment from you with again, nothing to back it up. I get paid to look at and implement marketing campaigns....a keyboard warrior such as yourself should stick to cutting and pasting links.



Well, you have my opinion on the origin series and why it's not a good thing or something that NZRL should look at yet......I am sure you will come back with more bollox about the demise of Union in NZ.......something that every single Kiwi on here has told you you are wrong about, but hey....carry on. 11 months and counting 'til your master plan has to of happened....

that names been taken by their soccer team

was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have

Is this new independent commission going to be called Gridiron Australia Ltd by any chance?

So, taking the name of a play from sport and applying it to a tactic that had been around in rugby for decades

Ground breaking

"The Lions dropped Batten so they could tour South Africa"

Shouldn't that be Boston?

no, that would be silly.

Are you for real


The Up and Under, Bomb, Garryowen or whatever you want to call a high kick with chasing players has been around since before Rugby in either codes or American Football. It is actually a tactic used in the Eton Wall Game...a game that pre-dates Rugby Football by at leats 50 years (1776).
Then, if you work on the basis that it has been used in Union since the game started, I find it funny that you see the need to make the association with a game that THROWS THE BALL FORWARD......


Your hatred of all things Union is blinding you..........to the extent where you are rambling and talking utter b0ll0x. What next? The shape of the ball comes from American Footbal too? The scrum is actually derived from hockey?
Get over it dally......Union spawned League..League is the better game, but it is derived directly from Union

As for your earlier comment about name calling.....have you had short term memory loss for long?

the tactic had never been seen before in australia pre gibson

maybe you guys imagined people were doing bombs way back in 1963 or even 1895

union did not spawn league my little friend.

in 1895 a bunch of northern rugby clubs decided theyd had enough of the hypocrisy, dishonest of the RFU and their attempts to block their influence in the game and decided to break away

for over 10 years the nu played the same rules as before

in 1906/7 we decided we needed a more attractive game and made most of the rule changes we associate with RL, but this was 12 years after our clubs left.

indeed many current SL clubs pre date the formation of the RFU so they are older than the union game.

in 1895 the game of rugby split into two. the rules didnt change just the governing bodies

heck the sport was even called NORTHERN UNION.

the genesis for modern day RL is 1906/7

really?



...sounds like it all started with Union....therefore, Union spawned League. Thanks for trying to prove me wrong and failing miserably whilst also looking like a complete ballsack at the same time.....genius

there was one common game of rugby

in 1895 it split into two

they both played the same rules for 12 more years.

the game of rugby pre dates the formation of the RFU.

ru claims 1886 as its formation date

many current SL clubs were playing rugby 20 years before this date.

where did I say it didn't?
Fact is dally you looked like a plum for suggesting the bomb/up and under was stolen from amaerican football and even worse, from the forward pass in said game. You have now tried to wriggle off the hook by getting into a history debate...and are looking even more like a complete banana with each post. Stop now before you resemble a fruit salad



Back on thread. NZRL needs only one thing from the NRL......and it's not an Origin type game.....it's a second franchise. The NRL won't do it though......they can't see farther than their own back yard.

when people say RL came from union they are just ignorant of the history of RL.

Quote ="dally messenger"union did not spawn league my little friend. in 1895 a bunch of northern rugby clubs decided theyd had enough of the hypocrisy, dishonest of the RFU and their attempts to block their influence in the game and decided to break away for over 10 years the nu played the same rules as before in 1906/7 we decided we needed a more attractive game and made most of the rule changes we associate with RL, but this was 12 years after our clubs left. indeed many current SL clubs pre date the formation of the RFU so they are older than the union game. in 1895 the game of rugby split into two. the rules didnt change just the governing bodies heck the sport was even called NORTHERN UNION. the genesis for modern day RL is 1906/7'" Some bedtime reading for you www.literature.org/authors/darwi ... f-species/

Quote ="dally messenger"union did not spawn league my little friend. in 1895 a bunch of northern rugby clubs decided theyd had enough of the hypocrisy, dishonest of the RFU and their attempts to block their influence in the game and decided to break away for over 10 years the nu played the same rules as before in 1906/7 we decided we needed a more attractive game and made most of the rule changes we associate with RL, but this was 12 years after our clubs left. indeed many current SL clubs pre date the formation of the RFU so they are older than the union game. in 1895 the game of rugby split into two. the rules didnt change just the governing bodies heck the sport was even called NORTHERN UNION. the genesis for modern day RL is 1906/7'" Some bedtime reading for you www.literature.org/authors/darwi ... f-species/

Yes, the same rules that were devised by the RFU, therefore making it rugby union rules, and any variation afterwards would have been spawned from those original rugby union rules.

Admit that you're wrong for once.