If it does i can't wait to see what he'll do with the rest of them...............i won't hold by breath mind.

You can't coach heart and bottle and Karl Pryce has neither.

I personally hold no hopes or expectations for Karl Pryce even with Mcguire at Wigan.

The bloke doesn't want it.

I wouldnt have thought that Leon's attitude is much better to be honest. Leon has only slightly more heart and always goes missing in tight games or when the going gets tough and only wants to know against weak teams who are on the back foot, hence why he wasnt picked for England.

I've seen most of his games for Wigan a t both first team and reserve level.

He was top try scorer in reserve rugby in 2009 (all teams) despite playing in only two thirds of the games.

He is the third fastest player at Wigan, and certainly is a very skilfull player.

However, his confidence is shot. He has had major problems with that injury and every time he makes a run then you will see him start to do his stretching exercise shortly afterwards.

I was speaking to someone who plays alongside Pryce in the reserve side, and they reckoned that if Pryce can get a really good hard pre-season training in and come through it then he could be real danger in Superleague.

That is what all Wigan fans will be hoping for under McGuire.

The guy is finished.

You cant teach heart.

Sad, but I`d say correct. Having seen Karl destroy teams in the academy and then just fade away is very disappointing. It really is what`s in his head though, and when the advantage of being a big lad in juniors faded away, other than a short early burst at the Bulls, he just never looked the same player.

I`ve always thought that of the two brothers Leon got all the aggression and Karl was just soooo laid back it was untrue. If Karl had got half of leon`s aggression and devil and Leon had got half of Karl`s apparent inner calm and peace then GB/England would have been blessed with two incredible players.

Every time I saw him play as a junior he left the field injured. And I don't think he was really injured.

All observers said, even at a young age, he was lacking bottle.

Or it could be that he's a big Mary.

Really?

Thought Roberts, Pat, Sam and Ainscough at least would be quicker than him.

Be nice of him to prove it in a game though

Karl Pryce could have been a monster. He's got all the skills. He's big, powerful, fast and has a great pair of hands and can off load. However he lacks 2 things desire and commitment. He's happy enough to get by on the bare minimum.

I did hope the switch to union might toughen him up but that never came to pass

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Standing around in the cold, chasing the odd kick was going to toughen him up?

Never mind never came to pass, more like never got a pass.

The major problem with SL is that unlike the NRL it cannot call upon the athletic talent of the entire nation. We're always scrabbling around in the dregs, failures and offshoots that are left in the barrel after football's taken its pick.

Guys like Hayne and Inglis are physical freaks, for sure. But English football is littered with such right down to Div 2 (and beyond). If we could take just a sixth of that athletic pool we'd be unstoppable.

Probably the most accurate reason why we consistently lag the Aussies in producing top quality players.

Spot on