We're all speculating mate, but my impression (and I work in this area) is that in effect they actually have been banned from entering the country (albeit temporarily).

Australians don't need visas , but anyone who is not British or EU needs leave to enter the UK. The visa refusal is refusing that leave to enter before they get here (a visa is only a "pre travel" check to see if you qualify for entry). Because of (and we're guessing) the reasons for refusal for all these players, they will apply for some time. For example Crocker's conviction won't be spent until 2010 and so could be used against him EVERY time he tries to come here, unless the UKBA change their minds on the current application. If they refuse again, he will not qualify for entry in any capacity until 2010.

I was talking about the Manly players as someone questioned how they got into the country. But as for Bird, he was denied a working visa. Doesn't mean he would be denied entry as a visitor. If you don't need a visa to visit and you've got a valid reason for your visit, can satisfy the official on landing that you are only there for that reason and that you'll be leaving when you say you are leaving there's no reason not to let you in. They don't even ask you if you've got a record or anything. They generally ask stuff like why are you here, how long are you staying, do you have a return ticket, do you have a job back home, what is it, will you be returning to that job? etc. It's all just to judge whether they think you're there for the right reasons, that you're not going to work and that you'll go home when you're supposed to. The only thing that might stuff Bird up is if his passport is in some way flagged due to his working visa being denied. But had he never applied for that visa and signed for Catalans from the get go he would be just as entitled to walk into the country as any other average Aussie. He still might be.

And there you have it! It will have been.

The visa refusal does affect him and the purpose of his previous application is irrelevant if he's been refused under the general rules. If he's denied a "working visa" under the general rules he should be denied any other form of entry for the same reason, unless and until his circumstances change.

according to the papers today, his entry to the UK will depend on the indiviudal person who is working at Border Control when he tries to enter the UK - so no actual solid rules are in place either way.

That's a farce. Not saying what the decision should be but that's just a fudge.

aye, so he will have to fly to the UK every other week - some weeks he will get in, some weeks not.

Yes and no. The rules say that each individual request for entry is judged on it's own merits. The last request Bird made was turned down, but the UKBA can't be seen to be pre-judging his next request as circumstances may change.

In practice, all the Immigration Officers will be working to the same rules and be interpreting them in line with the same guidelines. Unless something changes drastically between now and the first time he tries to enter the UK with Catalans, he's very likely to be turned away again.

And I'm sure no RL supporting immigration officer would let their decision be influenced by that fact that he might be coming to play against their team, say …

Or against a team near them in the table etc...

What are you saying?!

Watch for that Zeebrugge - Hull Ferry!

Amazing, we not only allow hate filled terrorists to come here, we allow them to call for our own destruction while paying for their accommodation, food, council tax, their polygamous ways and their offsprings, but god forbid a professional athlete should turn up once every two weeks to play 80 minutes of rugby and then go back to France.

The world is one f'cked up place at times, I know who I would feel safer having on these shores and it isn't Sheik Yabennifts screaming for my death.

www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/bi ... 89784.html bird may only be allowed to play catalans home games

www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/bi ... 89784.html bird may only be allowed to play catalans home games

Or may sing "Swing Low" rubbish on a regular basis

You know what I love?

T*ts.


You know what else I love?

That it was completely find when Bird was going to end up at Wigan or Bradford or Warrington or Hull......but as soon as that was not allowed to take place and he signed with Catalans....well THEN it become a disgrace!

As the sadly very, shall we say, premature ending of your brief encounter with my friend proved only too well.





Mini gherkin, anyone?

So when is his trial anyway? Will he not have to go back to Australia for that?

What amuses me about this whole situation is the whinging of other SL coaches.

"It's unfair", "its bending the rules"







As if they are whiter than white and butter wouldn't melt on their mouths.

I mean this is the same crew who justify signings by grandparents and whatever to bend the rules but when someone else does something that is different.

But this is RL and logic, common sense and fair play are usually not part of the agenda are they.

I think Stevos thoughts on Boots and All last night were the most amusing aspect of this story, If he is denied access to the UK, stevo suggests we "check the eurostar".

Cheered me up after a e day at work anyway.

Shouldn't have been allowed to sign for them IMO - more bias towards the expansion clubs from the RFL.

And which rule would you have used to stop it, exactly?

I'm not saying it shouldn't be addressed, mind, but as far as I can tell it breaks no current RFL ruling.

What are you talking about?

The RFL accepted his Bradford registration. I seem to remember Gary Hetherington saying something about the RFL bringing the game into disrepute or similar.

He's obviously been on the Mark Riddell diet recently

Go to the Catalans sub-forum. We don't want him either!