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Are you saying folaus mental health is at risk? Id say that making a stand agianst vile homophobia is a priority and he accepts his part in people judging him for the hatered he spews.
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| Quote ="IR80"what are you suggesting never happened?'" I can tell you some things that did happen.
Folau had his last contract cancelled.
He took his former employer to court to challenge that, on the grounds that he had broken no laws and had met the terms of his contract.
His former employer chose to settle out of court, paying his legal costs, paying out his contract and giving him an undisclosed sum for damages.
In short, he was completely cleared of any wrongdoing and walked away with a wad of cash for his troubles. |
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| Quote ="roopy"I can tell you some things that did happen.
Folau had his last contract cancelled.
He took his former employer to court to challenge that, on the grounds that he had broken no laws and had met the terms of his contract.
His former employer chose to settle out of court, paying his legal costs, paying out his contract and giving him an undisclosed sum for damages.
In short, he was completely cleared of any wrongdoing and walked away with a wad of cash for his troubles.'"
He wasn't cleared of any wrongdoing, he settled his case. He is as guilty of vile homophobia and questionable morals as the day is long.
If you feel his behaviour was acceptable then that says more about you than I ever could. |
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| Quote ="Seth"Ive not yet heard an answer to this, if it were black/white people someone was condemning to hell on a public forum would it still be an 'opinion' or racism?'"
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| Quote ="wire-flyer"Both?'"
Thanks, so its racist then. Ergo folaus comment is homophobic, both being equally deplorable. I would like to imagine that a player who publically posted racist hate would at the least have their contract torn up. |
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| Quote ="IR80"He wasn't cleared of any wrongdoing, he settled his case. He is as guilty of vile homophobia and questionable morals as the day is long.
If you feel his behaviour was acceptable then that says more about you than I ever could.'" He wasn't found guilty because he was never on trial for anything.
He took legal action against the ARU, and they settled rather than lose in court.
Many people have said they should take legal action against him, but none have, because they don't have a case.
If you think you can make a case against him, go for it. He could probably find a use for your money when you have to settle. |
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Just be offended, but be REALLY REALLY offended as this shows you to be a completely rounded lovely human being, much nicer than than the average person...or you could just live your life treating people as you'd like to be treated yourself. Despite modern hysteria most people still do this and Israel's crime is that his thinking is wildly out of date with the modern world...it really isnt something to ruin a man for and protesting hard about it doesnt make you a better person. It's gaysplaining as i think that kids would call it.
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I wouldnt say im offended but fkin damn right people should speak out about c***s like him who make homophobia normalised. Im not trying to prove anything about myself i can be a real t wat, but not to the levels of being a racist, homophobe or something similar. Where would discrimination be if people hadnt done this throughout history, hes not just one person hes part of a wider problem with a lot of influence. But suddenly hes now a victim for spewing his bile on a public forum and expecting nobody to give him sh it for it, people are mixing freedom of speech with that other lesser know 'right to say whatever offensive crap you like and have nobody challenge you on it' (clue; the second one doesnt exist)
Listen to people whos lives have been impacted by societal norms, or is that their problem? Izzy, you want to take to social media with your 'opinions' grow some balls and deal with the backlash. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... gby-league |
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I wouldnt say im offended but fkin damn right people should speak out about c***s like him who make homophobia normalised. Im not trying to prove anything about myself i can be a real t wat, but not to the levels of being a racist, homophobe or something similar. Where would discrimination be if people hadnt done this throughout history, hes not just one person hes part of a wider problem with a lot of influence. But suddenly hes now a victim for spewing his bile on a public forum and expecting nobody to give him sh it for it, people are mixing freedom of speech with that other lesser know 'right to say whatever offensive crap you like and have nobody challenge you on it' (clue; the second one doesnt exist)
Listen to people whos lives have been impacted by societal norms, or is that their problem? Izzy, you want to take to social media with your 'opinions' grow some balls and deal with the backlash. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... gby-league | |
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| Quote ="roopy"He wasn't found guilty because he was never on trial for anything.
He took legal action against the ARU, and they settled rather than lose in court.
Many people have said they should take legal action against him, but none have, because they don't have a case.
If you think you can make a case against him, go for it. He could probably find a use for your money when you have to settle.'"
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Just be offended, but be REALLY REALLY offended as this shows you to be a completely rounded lovely human being, much nicer than than the average person...or you could just live your life treating people as you'd like to be treated yourself. Despite modern hysteria most people still do this and Israel's crime is that his thinking is wildly out of date with the modern world...it really isnt something to ruin a man for and protesting hard about it doesnt make you a better person. It's gaysplaining as i think that kids would call it.'"
This kind of passive thinking has seen the rise of homophobic and racist abuse and sorry pal but, that isn't acceptable, EVER.
How can you say, live your life treating people as you'd like to be treated yourself and then turn a blind eye to those openly expressed views. Surely it's a 2 way street. Show respect to others and expect that respect to be reciprocated ??
Just for the record, using "gaysplaining" isn't helping is it ? even this term is designed to belittle anyone who dares to speak up in defence of gay people.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"This kind of passive thinking has seen the rise of homophobic and racist abuse and sorry pal but, that isn't acceptable, EVER.
How can you say, live your life treating people as you'd like to be treated yourself and then turn a blind eye to those openly expressed views. Surely it's a 2 way street. Show respect to others and expect that respect to be reciprocated ??
Just for the record, using "gaysplaining" isn't helping is it ? even this term is designed to belittle anyone who dares to speak up in defence of gay people.
Maybe we should just allow people to hate and ridicule minority groups, after all they are only expressing their personal views
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| Quote ="Angelus"It takes two to settle. You could argue he thought he wouldn't win too.'"
Of course he would win.He has a human right to believe in a religion.He was unfairly sacked.
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| Quote ="Ornery Optimist"Of course he would win.He has a human right to believe in a religion.He was unfairly sacked.
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"Are there any restrictions to this right?
Public authorities cannot interfere with your right to hold or change your beliefs, but there are some situations in which public authorities can interfere with your right to manifest or show your thoughts, belief and religion. This is only allowed where the authority can show that its action is lawful, necessary and proportionate in order to protect:
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Also, he said he wouldnt repeat those views, and it was written into his contract, which he then did, and broke his contract.
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| Quote ="roopy"He wasn't found guilty because he was never on trial for anything.
He took legal action against the ARU, and they settled rather than lose in court.
Many people have said they should take legal action against him, but none have, because they don't have a case.
If you think you can make a case against him, go for it. He could probably find a use for your money when you have to settle.'"
Not so, they may well have had a case, but modern business dictates that when your insurance company notifies you that you’re at your limit you take note & get out at a point where you don’t have to fork out money
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| Quote ="Towns88"Or people that dont like homophobic bigots.
YES I AM A CAS FAN. Yes some idiot cas fans abused Thomas in 2010, yes it was wrong and yes I can still be offended by homophobia. That doesn't make myself or the lady with the pride flag a hypocrite.'"
Clearly an awful lot of Northerners in places like Wakefield don't care as the voted for a party and government lead by a man who referred to 'bum-boys.' I do believe Johnson will have a greater bearing on most people's lives than Mr Folau and yet where is the faux-outrage towards him? |
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| Quote ="Dally"Clearly an awful lot of Northerners in places like Wakefield don't care as the voted for a party and government lead by a man who referred to 'bum-boys.' I do believe Johnson will have a greater bearing on most people's lives than Mr Folau and yet where is the faux-outrage towards him?'"
There's plenty of outrage towards him, myself included. His attitude is diabolical not to mention his quotes around Muslim women. Though you're taking things off topic somewhat. |
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| Quote ="Dally"Clearly an awful lot of Northerners in places like Wakefield don't care as the voted for a party and government lead by a man who referred to 'bum-boys.' I do believe Johnson will have a greater bearing on most people's lives than Mr Folau and yet where is the faux-outrage towards him?'"
Johnson is lucky that he isn't a little lower down the Tory food chain as, I'm sure he would have had some problems had he been a low ranking MP and by chucking him into the argument, once again, you appear to be happy with this kind of stuff.
In context, RL is a sport that is open to all, regardless of race, creed, colour, ethnicity or whatever.
Therefore, those who condemn one or all of those groups are directly against all that our sport stands for - it's not difficult.
Catalan have signed him in full knowledge of his views and should he transgress, based on his outdated views, they will be culpable and considered complicit in his actions. An extremely perilous position to be in.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Johnson is lucky that he isn't a little lower down the Tory food chain as, I'm sure he would have had some problems had he been a low ranking MP and by chucking him into the argument, once again, you appear to be happy with this kind of stuff.
In context, RL is a sport that is open to all, regardless of race, creed, colour, ethnicity or whatever.
Therefore, those who condemn one or all of those groups are directly against all that our sport stands for - it's not difficult.
Catalan have signed him in full knowledge of his views and should he transgress, based on his outdated views, they will be culpable and considered complicit in his actions. An extremely perilous position to be in.
As for being from Wakefield, what on earth has that got to do with anything
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and STILL no response from Dally about the disabled paying for errors in a former life.... |
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| Quote ="Dally"Clearly an awful lot of Northerners in places like Wakefield don't care as the voted for a party and government lead by a man who referred to 'bum-boys.' I do believe Johnson will have a greater bearing on most people's lives than Mr Folau and yet where is the faux-outrage towards him?'"
If you cant find any outrage to Boris Johnson you must live under a rock sir. And you probably wont find it here because its a rugby league forum. Israel Folau is a rugby league player, hence we are discussing it on a rugby league forum |
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Fair play to those fans with the flags though ... I wonder where else they've campaigned or do they focus mainly on Catalan home games?
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| Quote ="Dally"Nobody mentioned anything about people being from Wakefield! I mentioned Wakefield.'"
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| Quote ="wire-flyer"Fair play to those fans with the flags though ... I wonder where else they've campaigned or do they focus mainly on Catalan home games?'"
They should have been at castleford a few years ago when Gareth Thomas played against them but I don’t recall seeing them? |
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| Quote ="Dally"Nobody mentioned anything about people being from Wakefield! I mentioned Wakefield as an example of a RL town that had voted for Johnson’s Conservatives in the recent general election after previously voted Labour.'"
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"And does this have ANYTHING to do with Catalan signing Folau ??'"
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