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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"I don't understand why it's so desirable to revoke Bradford's licence?! What will it prove? Other than a few keyboard warriors relishing in the demise of a SL club? The only people that got Bradford in this mess will be the only people not to be affected by this. I can't understand why people think that they will just carry on as normal if they stay in SL. Administration and cuts to budget combined with the staff made redundant already will be a big blow to the club.
Wakefield fans astound me most about this, after all the trouble you went through! I agree SLE buying them is a bit off, but if they find a buyer why should they be made an example of?
I can't decide if it's jealousy at Bradford, hope that if Bradford has its licence revoked and thrown on the scrap heap that it will guarantee their team another licence come renewals, or just simply to have a moan about the way the RFL is run.'"
The problem for fans of the smaller clubs is the double standards applied within the league.
As stated previously, if this situation had arisen at Cas, Salford, Wakefield, Widnes or KR, then thy would be dropped from the competition without too much of a second thought, wheras the Bulls although having made a number of staff redundant, which nobody wants to see, continue to make progess towards the play offs with a full playing staff.
IF they had sold some of their stars, whom they cant afford, in the close season then some of this mess could have beed averted.
There is no pleasure in seeing a club struggle, as you said, some of us know this from first hand experience but, lets apply the rules evenly and protect all of our clubs, not just the ones with a "big" name and IF a smalle club would have had its licence revoked for "breaking the rules", then this should apply accross the board.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Not a ' Vibrant , worth winning in its own right competition ' then ?'"
You read my post with numerous questions regarding your motive to revoking Bradford's licence and can only comment on a figure of speach unrelated to the CC? So you fall into one of those three categories at the bottom then?
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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"You read my post with numerous questions regarding your motive to revoking Bradford's licence and can only comment on a figure of speach unrelated to the CC? So you fall into one of those three categories at the bottom then?'"
Just interested to see peoples perception of the sport and its various facets , I have no opinion either way on Bradford , other than if SLE buy them , they should not remain in SL
But as I said , interesting to see how people view the Championships
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The problem for fans of the smaller clubs is the double standards applied within the league.
As stated previously, if this situation had arisen at Cas, Salford, Wakefield, Widnes or KR, then thy would be dropped from the competition without too much of a second thought, wheras the Bulls although having made a number of staff redundant, which nobody wants to see, continue to make progess towards the play offs with a full playing staff.
IF they had sold some of their stars, whom they cant afford, in the close season then some of this mess could have beed averted.
There is no pleasure in seeing a club struggle, as you said, some of us know this from first hand experience but, lets apply the rules evenly and protect all of our clubs, not just the ones with a "big" name and IF a smalle club would have had its licence revoked for "breaking the rules", then this should apply accross the board.'"
Its not a double standard, its two different issues being treated differently.
Im not sure why some fans are so desperate to pretend each situation is the same when it quite clearly isn’t other than it gives them an excuse and a bogeyman to blame
You’re reading of the situation is beyond naïve. It may very well be that had Bradford ‘sold their stars’ in this symbolic bloodletting to appease you, that they would have had fewer fans come watch, brought in less from ticket and miscellaneous sales and simply brought about this situation earlier.
And it isn’t a ‘big name’ it is a ‘big club’.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Just interested to see peoples perception of the sport and its various facets , I have no opinion either way on Bradford , other than if SLE buy them , they should not remain in SL
But as I said , interesting to see how people view the Championships'"
As I said, figure of speech. I don't view the Championship like that, I was relating to how some people are jumping up and down about how Bradford should be left to rot and the like.
If you have no opinion on Bradford, think you need to tell your fingers because it's not what you're typing! No one else want to categorise themselves?
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| Quote ="Starbug"
But as I said , interesting to see how people view the Championships'" Sometimes people drop their guard without realising and use terms such as scrap heap in reference to the pro comp just below SL level.
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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"As I said, =#FF0000figure of speech. =#4000FFI don't view the Championship like that, I was relating to how some people are jumping up and down about how Bradford should be left to rot and the like.
If you have no opinion on Bradford, think you need to tell your fingers because it's not what you're typing! No one else want to categorise themselves?'"
I'd suggest you do , strangely that is very close to how I veiw them as well
I started this thread when the SLE bid was announced , if they hadnt put in the bid I wouldnt and havent given an opinion either way
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| Quote ="GSF"Sometimes people drop their guard without realising and use terms such as scrap heap in reference to the pro comp just below SL level.'"
You mean they tell the truth by mistake ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Its not a double standard, its two different issues being treated differently.
Im not sure why some fans are so desperate to pretend each situation is the same when it quite clearly isn’t other than it gives them an excuse and a bogeyman to blame
You’re reading of the situation is beyond naïve.=#FF0000 It may very well be that had Bradford ‘sold their stars’ in this symbolic bloodletting to appease you, that they would have had fewer fans come watch, brought in less from ticket and miscellaneous sales and simply brought about this situation earlier.
And it isn’t a ‘big name’ it is a ‘big club’.'"
You mean a situation where the governing body are paying a clubs players , and that could adversly effect other clubs finances ?
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| How could it adversley effect other clubs finances?
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| Quote ="Starbug"You mean they tell the truth by mistake ?'"
Well,yes.One fans scrap heap is another fans vibrant competition.Depends on who you are and how 'big' the club you support is I suppose.It's not for the Bradfords of this world but fine for plebs such as Fax and Fev.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"How could it adversley effect other clubs finances?'"
The RFL are paying the Bulls players , who could then make the play offs , denying another club from that income
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| Quote ="GSF"Well,yes.One fans scrap heap is another fans vibrant competition.Depends on who you are and how 'big' the club you support is I suppose.It's not for the Bradfords of this world but fine for plebs such as Fax and Fev.'"
No he was correct , the scrap heap is closer to the truth than the ' vibrant ' competition , at least in the eyes of clubs prospective customers
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| Any team except one outside the UK... and while we are at it... Get rid of Catalans and bring another English team in.... So... Fev and Fax for me should be in SL.
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| Many fans who support the top few clubs in S.L do regard the leagues below as an abomination,
Many Bradford fans were part of this exclusive club until recently, now they’re watching a team making up the numbers in SL, even contemplating death-by-relegation. I’m sure many have sobered up to reality now.
Unlike those (We know the clubs ) who have only ever seen success, due to their age or diminished responsibility.
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| So , who should get the ' Golden ticket ' ?
Fax or Toulouse ?
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| Neither. Have a 13 club SL until the next round of franchises. Then either promote a club by issuing a license or demote another club to take SL to 12 teams.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So , who should get the ' Golden ticket ' ?
Fax or Toulouse ?'"
Out of those two, definitely Halifax should.
However, in reality Bradford will find their old one in the waste bin, wipe it down & carry on.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Neither. Have a 13 club SL until the next round of franchises. Then either promote a club by issuing a license or demote another club to take SL to 12 teams.'"
Unfortunately (or fortunately is you are a Fax fan), Halifax are the only club with a valid application at present and there probably isn't time for other clubs to go through the process, you know, shiny new ground, decent attendances, strong finance etc.
Let the championship clubs play for promotion
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Many fans who support the top few clubs in S.L do regard the leagues below as an abomination,
Many Bradford fans were part of this exclusive club until recently, now they’re watching a team making up the numbers in SL, even contemplating death-by-relegation. I’m sure many have sobered up to reality now.
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I do not see the leagues below as an abomination. I see the leagues below as what they are - the leagues below. They are just as valuable to rugby league as any other club and I'm sure with time, we will see the performances in the lower leagues increase in quality and the gap between the leagues close. We have had considerable recent success but I do know what it's like not to be a top club.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So , who should get the ' Golden ticket ' ?
Fax or Toulouse ?'"
at this moment in time not Toulouse - the framework isn't in place but will be by 2015
let Fax in up to the next franchise bids and take it from there
anyway, I can't see the Bulls playing anywhere other than the SL next season so the question is irrelevant
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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"I do not see the leagues below as an abomination. I see the leagues below as what they are - the leagues below. They are just as valuable to rugby league as any other club and I'm sure with time, we will see the performances in the lower leagues increase in quality and the gap between the leagues close. We have had considerable recent success but I do know what it's like not to be a top club.'"
Hey calm down Fella’ where did I say you did?
I said many fans, the majority of who don’t even visit the V.T, the thought of having to converse with lower league supporters is an anathema
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| Leave it at 13 until someone is sustainable enough to come up.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Leave it at 13 until someone is sustainable enough to come up.'"
Totally agree.
Five unsustainable SL clubs is enough as it is. Too delicate a situation to add to that number right now.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So , who should get the ' Golden ticket ' ?
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Neither have a chance as the RFL have given Bradford all the Wonka bars.
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