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| I knew they it wasn't 14k.
Can't check now though coz they can't afford to pay for their web site anymore
That's really poor , such a big club and you can't buy tickets online or view the web site
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| Just called the bulls
They no longer have a web site !!!!!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Im sorry but your analogy is nonsense'"
I dont think so.
They are living well beyond their means and unable to pay wages never mind their suppliers.
For the purposes of the analagy so you can understand
Large rugby club = superstore (call them Bradford if you like)
Corner shop = Fax or Toulouse (sorry Fax fans for calling your club a corner shop !)
Fax making a profit, Bulls blowing cash for fun
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| Quote ="Eadie"I knew they it wasn't 14k.
Can't check now though coz they can't afford to pay for their web site anymore
That's really poor , such a big club and you can't buy tickets online or view the web site'"
You didnt know anything, you were wrong. Its ok, I've provided the evidence for you so you dont need to jump in and make a fool of yourself again.
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| Quote ="Eadie"
You cant have one rule for one and not for another'"
Which clubs have been relegated for going into administration?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I dont think so.
They are living well beyond their means and unable to pay wages never mind their suppliers.
For the purposes of the analagy so you can understand
Large rugby club = superstore (call them Bradford if you like)
Corner shop = Fax or Toulouse (sorry Fax fans for calling your club a corner shop !)
Fax making a profit, Bulls blowing cash for fun'"
Its still nonsense.
seems strange that you think it an insult to fax but not toulouse though.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Its still nonsense.
seems strange that you think it an insult to fax but not toulouse though.'"
we dont get many Toulouse fans on here.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"icon_biggrin.gif we dont get many Toulouse fans on here.'"
many more than you think mate !
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Nobody knows, although some like to pretend they do.
We have nowhere near enough information to know.
And without knowing their running costs, how much was historic debt and how much efficiency there was to squeeze out of the club, we don’t even know if that price was unsustainable. We know their business model as whole wasn’t sustainable, not the pledge scheme in isolation.'"
Which bit of ' partly ' didnt you understand?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Which bit of ' partly ' didnt you understand?'"
Which part of we cant possibly know if it was at all responsible didnt you understand?
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| Nice to see smokey still believes in our game
With his trusted sidekick Him
Keep saying loud and long enough everything is great and you never know people may believe you
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Which part of we cant possibly know if it was at all responsible didnt you understand?'"
Maybe it was the price of the prawn sarnies in the Coral stand ?
Fairly sure Mr Hood stated that the ' plan ' hadnt worked and it was part of the problem, but maybe it wasnt, maybe we'll see a whole plethora of clubs trying something similar, lets face it, if you call it a ' membership ' instead of a season ticket, maybe you might not have to pay VAT on it
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| Quote ="jesus-is-coming"Nice to see smokey still believes in our game
With his trusted sidekick Him
Keep saying loud and long enough everything is great and you never know people may believe you'"
So can you answer the question then?
Which clubs have been relegated for going into administration?
I've asked it a few times now but no-one seems able or willing to answer it. I can only imagine because the answer might not fit with their conspiracy theorist views.
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| Quote ="Him"So can you answer the question then?
Which clubs have been relegated for going into administration?
I've asked it a few times now but no-one seems able or willing to answer it. I can only imagine because the answer might not fit with their conspiracy theorist views.'"
It cannot be answered, because that isnt the issue, if somebody turns up tommorrow with an offer to pay up all debts, then no issues, if however the Bulls end up owned by the other clubs , then the Championships it is
Simples
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| Quote ="Starbug"It cannot be answered, because that isnt the issue, if somebody turns up tommorrow with an offer to pay up all debts, then no issues, if however the Bulls end up owned by the other clubs , then the Championships it is
Simples'"
Of course it can be answered. It's just the answer doesn't fit with the views of those saying that the RFL are either breaking the rules by keeping Bradford in SL or that it's somehow "one rule for one club, one rule for another".
I agree, if SLE end up owning Bradford they should be put into the Championship. In fact I would be tempted to relegate them anyway for a massive failure of their licence. But am unsure and a lot would depend on who takes them over, how much debt they pay off and their plans for the future.
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| Quote ="Him"Of course it can be answered. It's just the answer doesn't fit with the views of those saying that the RFL are either breaking the rules by keeping Bradford in SL or that it's somehow "one rule for one club, one rule for another".
I agree, if SLE end up owning Bradford they should be put into the Championship. In fact I would be tempted to relegate them anyway for a massive failure of their licence. But am unsure and a lot would depend on who takes them over, how much debt they pay off and their plans for the future.'"
Which is essentially what I just posted
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| Quote ="Him"But am unsure and a lot would [udepend on [/uwho takes them over, how much debt they pay off and their plans for the future.'"
I believe you have described a [ucontition[/u....as in a conditional offer.
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| You do not have to name any team that has been relegated from super league. You do not get relegated your licence is revoked and then I guess you have to then apply to be in the other divisions. The important thing that was said at the last licence issuing announcement was that a club could have their licence revoked if they dropped the standards that the super league licence was issued on. i guess this was probably aimed at Castleford and or Wakefield with regards to grounds but it was said. Now if going into administration for miss managing your finances, not paying players and dragging the name of Rugby league through the mire is not enough to revoke the licence then I guess it is ok for every club to over spend run up big debts and then go and ask for the governing body to bail them out more, than once.
I could list more than one team that the rugby league have let die without a care over the years what makes Bradford more important than them.
Do not say crowds because that is a false number. Who is to say that the team that replaces them over time could not generate the same crowds or that if Bradford stay in super league their crowds will not drop due to paying the correct price for the goods and the team performance dropping.
Bradford had their chance messed it up, it is now time for another team to have a go.
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| Just for Him and Smokey befor they ask. Blackpool Scarbrough are teams that could have been helped by the RFL and would still be with us today but the RFL let them die.
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| Quote ="Always Travelling"Just for Him and Smokey befor they ask. Blackpool Scarbrough are teams that could have been helped by the RFL and would still be with us today but the RFL let them die.'"
what's the point of flogging a dead horse ?
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| Quote ="sanjunien"
what's the point of flogging a dead horse ?'"
Here we go! Someone always has to bring a Bronco into the argument. Look, this is about Bradford, not London. Pack it in!
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| Quote ="Him"So can you answer the question then?
Which clubs have been relegated for going into administration?
I've asked it a few times now but no-one seems able or willing to answer it. I can only imagine because the answer might not fit with their conspiracy theorist views.'"
Nobody has been relegated for going into admin, although the Crusaders effectively relegated themselves as they couldn't afford to continue.
However, following the difficulties at Crusaders and Wakefield, the RFL said it had tightend the rules and would revoke the licence of any failing clubs.
At the time, this appeared to be pointed at Wakefield, who have themselves been visited by a delegation from the RFL to ensure that they were keeping the promises that were made to the RFL.
The Bulls have failed, financially and on this basis, according to the RFL statement, they should expect their licence to be revoked and here is where further problems arise.
There isn't a ready made replacement of SL standard in either Halifax or Toulouse, both of these clubs would need a significant re-vamp to be able to compete in SL and they may not wish to join SL for a 2 year (remaining term of this franchise period)
Can the competition work with 13 clubs, which would cause imbalance in the current fixture programme, probably not.
So, what is the best solution ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Nobody has been relegated for going into admin, although the Crusaders effectively relegated themselves as they couldn't afford to continue.
However, following the difficulties at Crusaders and Wakefield, the RFL said it had tightend the rules and would revoke the licence of any failing clubs.
At the time, this appeared to be pointed at Wakefield, who have themselves been visited by a delegation from the RFL to ensure that they were keeping the promises that were made to the RFL.
The Bulls have failed, financially and on this basis, according to the RFL statement, they should expect their licence to be revoked and here is where further problems arise.
There isn't a ready made replacement of SL standard in either Halifax or Toulouse, both of these clubs would need a significant re-vamp to be able to compete in SL and they may not wish to join SL for a 2 year (remaining term of this franchise period)
Can the competition work with 13 clubs, which would cause imbalance in the current fixture programme, probably not.
So, what is the best solution ?'"
Yes SL could work with 13 clubs. SL will not end if there are only 13 clubs. It just means the RFL will have to get off their s and implement a solution.
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| I don't understand why it's so desirable to revoke Bradford's licence?! What will it prove? Other than a few keyboard warriors relishing in the demise of a SL club? The only people that got Bradford in this mess will be the only people not to be affected by this. I can't understand why people think that they will just carry on as normal if they stay in SL. Administration and cuts to budget combined with the staff made redundant already will be a big blow to the club.
Wakefield fans astound me most about this, after all the trouble you went through! I agree SLE buying them is a bit off, but if they find a buyer why should they be made an example of?
I can't decide if it's jealousy at Bradford, hope that if Bradford has its licence revoked and thrown on the scrap heap that it will guarantee their team another licence come renewals, or just simply to have a moan about the way the RFL is run.
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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"I don't understand why it's so desirable to revoke Bradford's licence?! What will it prove? Other than a few keyboard warriors relishing in the demise of a SL club? The only people that got Bradford in this mess will be the only people not to be affected by this. I can't understand why people think that they will just carry on as normal if they stay in SL. Administration and cuts to budget combined with the staff made redundant already will be a big blow to the club.
Wakefield fans astound me most about this, after all the trouble you went through! I agree SLE buying them is a bit off, but if they find a buyer why should they be made an example of?
I can't decide if it's jealousy at Bradford, hope that if Bradford has its licence revoked and thrown on =#FF0000the scrap heap that it will guarantee their team another licence come renewals, or just simply to have a moan about the way the RFL is run.'"
Not a ' Vibrant , worth winning in its own right competition ' then ?
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