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| Quote ="deeHell"Just for you Mr Wheels (even though I suspect your fishing) I will explain this only once so listen carefully...
A shared ground is not an option because you will never, ever get either team to agree on a location. Wakey don't want to play in Cas and Cas don't want to play in Wakey, simples.
If either Cas or Wakey are taken out of the community they represent they will probably cease to attract the support of the community. You would quickly lose your fans and business support from the community you represent. In a word, for the team that relocates it's curtains.
With other teams that are knocking on the door, massive pressure would be placed on the relocated team to be absorbed as a merger. Of course the merger would most probably be along the lines of the Gateshead and Sheffield fiasco.
The above is not paranoia, it's very realistic scenario of a shared ground. Despite the rivalry of both sets of supporters the very existence of each team as SL clubs belongs on the fact that both teams get a new ground.
If the worst come to the worst and we did share a ground, I would bet the VT forum would be bursting with 100 page threads about why 2 teams from one area should have 2 SL places.
I hope this goes someway to explaining the situation!'"
what a load of poop.
if neither club can build one on its own and pooling resources means a new ground can be built then im sure a spot can be found suitable for both if each clubs SL survival is at risk.
the attitude in your posts explain why RL is a small sport in england (partly)
small minded village mentality to the sport.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Fortunately in Italy's Serie A you achieve your status through a more credible promotion and relegation system. In SL your status is now earned on a more selective franchise system.
So if it's good enough for Milan, it most certainly is not good enough for the WF postcode area.
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the NRL has no system of P&R.
many NRL clubs share grounds
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| Quote ="SBR":31ksxonoClearly 'the current site' is referring to the site of the new ground in its current state (presumably a partly constructed state at the time). How could an inspection of Hilton park suggest that the new stadium will be an excellent facility?'" rang and asked when would it be suitable for them to inspect HILTON PARK
This was after the licence application had been submitted
You clear with that now
I dont give a stuff what they then put into their report
They had already visited the new site more than once
Either read what has been posted or dont bother commenting
Ok thicko
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| Quote ="deeHell"
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Just about sums this season up for you then
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| Quote ="Starbug"I dont give a stuff what they then put into their report '"
Then why did you highlight part of it? Or is it just that you 'dont give a stuff' now it has been pointed out that it doesn't agree with you.
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| Quote ="SBR"Then why did you highlight part of it? Or is it just that you 'dont give a stuff' now it has been pointed out that it doesn't agree with you.'"
I refer you to page 13 of this thread
Quote In EnemyTerritory wrote: I thought that Starbug but when I mentioned this in another post someone posted the RFL's comments about your application and it raved about LSV.. it certainly looked as though it had been assessed. It's on the Wakey board.
Quote So why ask to inspect Hilton park after the applications had been submitted ? '" '"
Did you read this post
Now if you want to act stupid fine , although not much acting needed on your part
WHY did the RFL ask to inspect Hilton park 6 weeks after the licence applications had been submitted , which was also several weeks after Mr Lewis and Mr wood had visited the 95 % completed LSV ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"WHY did the RFL ask to inspect Hilton park 6 weeks after the licence applications had been submitted , which was also several weeks after Mr Lewis and Mr wood had visited the 95 % completed LSV ?'"
No idea. What is very clear is that the LSV was considered as a major plus point in Leigh's application.
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| Quote ="SBR"No idea. What is very clear is that the LSV was considered as a major plus point in Leigh's application.'"
Really I am surprised
Perhaps it was a good job we told them to get stuffed and refused them permission to inspect Hilton park then wasn't it
But why would they want to inspect a stadium we would not be playing at any more ?
Maybe they would have made up garbage about that like they did about our non existent youth development ?
Then again I am paranoid arent I
Either that or they are a bunch of lying t055ers
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| Quote ="Gahan"Just about sums this season up for you then'"
I am sure your club could give us chapter and verse regarding a merger.
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| im really looking forward to a strong club like widnes with a fantastic newish stadium replacing one of the current poor heartland clubs that promises a new ground and delivers a big banana.
franchising is mainly about how clubs perform off the field, not on the field.
i hope the RFL have the guts this time to look at actual off field improvements, and not promises.
if RL in england is ever to prosper it needs strong clubs that deliver off field gains, not clubs that lie.
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| Quote ="number 6"according to radio humberside, 5 clubs have received e-mails from the RFL regarding their grounds and the promise of improvements before the next round of the licensing in 2012, wonder who they could be.......
my reckoning
wakefield, celtic, hull kr, salford, castleford
all above clubs have at sometime promised to improve their grounds, mainly words and no actions'"
There'a surprise
My next rumour is..........
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| Quote ="dally messenger"im really looking forward to a strong club like widnes with a fantastic newish stadium replacing one of the current poor heartland clubs that promises a new ground and delivers a big banana.
franchising is mainly about how clubs perform off the field, not on the field.
i hope the RFL have the guts this time to look at actual off field improvements, and not promises.
if RL in england is ever to prosper it needs strong clubs that deliver off field gains, not clubs that lie.'"
I've just read the thoughts of Jon Wilkin and that guy talks a lot of sense. He has to be some sort of pundit when he finishes playing..
It was interesting to read that he thought that we needed to look after the heartland clubs and I completely agree with this..
A lot more has to be done to improve the Championship and the Championship two to make them viable competitions in their own right. There has to be a shift in money and more has to trickle down the hill to the lower league clubs.
Maybe this task force could be sent to some of these teams, or there needs to be a central unit that assists in promoting the game to these teams.
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| Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"I've just read the thoughts of Jon Wilkin and that guy talks a lot of sense. He has to be some sort of pundit when he finishes playing..
It was interesting to read that he thought that we needed to look after the heartland clubs and I completely agree with this..
A lot more has to be done to improve the Championship and the Championship two to make them viable competitions in their own right. There has to be a shift in money and more has to trickle down the hill to the lower league clubs.
Maybe this task force could be sent to some of these teams, or there needs to be a central unit that assists in promoting the game to these teams.'"
getting a paying TV deal for NL1 and 2 is a step forward as will hopefully more full time back office staff.
there are quite a few potential SL clubs in the lower divisions.
the more clubs with a realistic chance at SL, the better the competition will be.
SL clubs should be looking over their shoulders constantly at lower level clubs who are improving, as widnes certainly are now for at least 3 current SL clubs
get your stadiums or rack off.
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| Quote ="crucrucrusaders"St Helens - No
Celtic - No
Wakefield - Yes
Castleford - Yes
Salford - No'"
Nonsense, the chances of Salford getting a new ground are about the same as the Titanic sailing into New York harbour.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"im really looking forward to a strong club like widnes with a fantastic newish stadium replacing one of the current poor heartland clubs that promises a new ground and delivers a big banana.
franchising is mainly about how clubs perform off the field, not on the field.
i hope the RFL have the guts this time to look at actual off field improvements, and not promises.
if RL in england is ever to prosper it needs strong clubs that deliver off field gains, not clubs that lie.'"
You do realise Widnes is a tiny tiny place don't you?
And it's a dump.
I want Widnes in but dont talk about a strong club, they have absolutely zero chance of EVER filling that ground, no growth potential at all
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| Quote ="Dico"[size=150You do realise Widnes is a tiny tiny place don't you?
And it's a dump.[/sizeI want Widnes in but dont talk about a strong club, they have absolutely zero chance of EVER filling that ground, no growth potential at all'"
You do realise that Widnes have a sizeable following from outside the town.
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| Quote ="El Ninho"You do realise that Widnes have a sizeable following from outside the town.'"
But double the towns population? In fact you could treble it and it would still be a small town
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| Quote ="Dico"But double the towns population? In fact you could treble it and it would still be a small town'"
Don't disagree with you about the town, but the club DOES attract a fair few from outside the town. From places such as Runcorn, St Helens, Warrington and surprisingly enough West Yorkshire and North Wales.
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| Quote ="Dico"You do realise Widnes is a tiny tiny place don't you?
And it's a dump.
I want Widnes in but dont talk about a strong club, they have absolutely zero chance of EVER filling that ground, no growth potential at all'"
What a joke of a post. Clearly showing your ignorance there well done.
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| Quote ="El Ninho"Don't disagree with you about the town, but the club DOES attract a fair few from outside the town. From places such as Runcorn, St Helens, Warrington and surprisingly enough West Yorkshire and North Wales.'"
Add Chester to that too, we've already got a decent base and Widnes connections developing the game there.
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| In my personal view they're still limited when it comes to potential.
The option would be to move into Liverpool, but they're football mad, along with the scousers that now populate Widnes. Any fans round here of Widnes tend to be people that have moved out of the town only to be replaced by the dirty plastic scousers.
They probably are the most ready Championship club, but they're 8 miles from Warrington town centre and not far from St Helens either.
Just made me laugh when Dally talked about a great club, they're the shadow of what was once there,
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| Quote ="Dico"In my personal view they're still limited when it comes to potential.
The option would be to move into Liverpool, but they're football mad, along with the scousers that now populate Widnes. Any fans round here of Widnes tend to be people that have moved out of the town only to be replaced by the dirty plastic scousers.
They probably are the most ready Championship club, but they're 8 miles from Warrington town centre and not far from St Helens either.
Just made me laugh when Dally talked about a great club, they're the shadow of what was once there,'"
The quote "great club" was no doubt aimed at our illustrious history, with Steve O'Connor in charge now I am sure that he will do exactly the same for us that Simon Moran has done for Wire.
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| Quote ="Dico"You do realise Widnes is a tiny tiny place don't you?
And it's a dump.
I want Widnes in but dont talk about a strong club, they have absolutely zero chance of EVER filling that ground, no growth potential at all'"
Ha ha.. well considering we were close to 8,000 the last time we were in SL that aint too bad now is it.
Plus there is room for us to expand into.. we have south Cheshire and South Merseyside that are untapped areas which our Chairman has indicated we will target.
A lot of work has been done on support demographics and we do have, and can call on, quite a bit of interest from outside the town. Not too much work is being done on getting this support in just at the moment as we want their first visits to be memorable and there is more chance of the support staying if they came to a packed house and the atmosphere we can generate against Saints, Warrington or Wigan than say Bately, Barrow or Whitehaven.
The plans for the marketing in these areas are pretty awesome and will swiftly kick into gear should we get the nod. We are talking about arrangements with premiership football teams, universities, we have some deals with radio stations in those areas.. it's very impressive.
By the same token it is not being ignored and the community teams are expanding into these areas all the time. We are certainly not hemmed in like some clubs in terms of catchment areas.
It's a question of just waiting at the moment and biding our time a little.
As for being a strong club.. despite our status in championship one I would happily wager that we are one of the better run clubs in the whole competition.. out of the flames of administration we are doing very very nicely now thanks.
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| Quote ="Dico"In my personal view they're still limited when it comes to potential.
The option would be to move into Liverpool, but they're football mad, along with the scousers that now populate Widnes. Any fans round here of Widnes tend to be people that have moved out of the town only to be replaced by the dirty plastic scousers.
They probably are the most ready Championship club, but they're 8 miles from Warrington town centre and not far from St Helens either.
Just made me laugh when Dally talked about a great club, they're the shadow of what was once there,'"
We are a great club, always have and always will be and now we've got the backing and infrastructure to be great once again. You only have to look to Hull KR to see the great strides they've made and they were once a shadow of their former greatness.
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| Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"Ha ha.. well considering we were close to 8,000 the last time we were in SL that aint too bad now is it.
Plus there is room for us to expand into.. we have south Cheshire and South Merseyside that are untapped areas which our Chairman has indicated we will target.
A lot of work has been done on support demographics and we do have, and can call on, quite a bit of interest from outside the town. Not too much work is being done on getting this support in just at the moment as we want their first visits to be memorable and there is more chance of the support staying if they came to a packed house and the atmosphere we can generate against Saints, Warrington or Wigan than say Bately, Barrow or Whitehaven.
The plans for the marketing in these areas are pretty awesome and will swiftly kick into gear should we get the nod. We are talking about arrangements with premiership football teams, universities, we have some deals with radio stations in those areas.. it's very impressive.
By the same token it is not being ignored and the community teams are expanding into these areas all the time. We are certainly not hemmed in like some clubs in terms of catchment areas.
It's a question of just waiting at the moment and biding our time a little.
As for being a strong club.. despite our status in championship one I would happily wager that we are one of the better run clubs in the whole competition.. out of the flames of administration we are doing very very nicely now thanks.'"
You weren't, you had about 4-5000 average past the first 'honeymoon period'.
The plans sound alright, but why on earth would anyone from south cheshire come and support 'Widnes'?
Someone mentioned support in Chester, no one in Chester knows RL even exists as a sport, barr a couple of people from Warry, Widnes et al living there and thats only 25 milesish from our doorstep. I know this because I spend an awful lot of time there with the people there.
I can't ever see the day that Widnes will average 10,000 tbh anyone can put out some pipedream plans
Quote You only have to look to Hull KR to see the great strides they've made and they were once a shadow of their former greatness.
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Hull is a decent sized city that hasn't been taken over by plastic scousers and a lot of their locals who would have watched league been forced out of the town
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