8.52% increase if you were to accept the [url=http://www.hullfc.com/first-team/match/215161/catalan-dragons-36-34officially reported Hull FC attendance of 10,178[/url in Round 1 rather than the unofficial and highly suspicious attendance of 11,400 which you chose to go with instead.

You need to be consistent in the way you select which attendances are to be used and which are to be ignored. Applying an alleged official Catalan home attendance of 8,500 in Round 3 whilst ignoring an official Hull FC home attendance in Round 1 of 10,178 might otherwise be indicative of a cherry-picking agenda on your part.

To be fair I've no idea what you used as your data last year???

When Saints put out 2 crowds, you would have had to have picked one too.

For the time being, my total figures do include that 6,300 figure (which is also suspicious) only because I've seen no report or link to 8,500 (or any other alleged attendance) for that particular fixture. Perhaps Catalans and Bradford could engage in a fight to the death with the survivor claiming ownership of 8,500?

A televisual blockbuster

Hi,
The only indication I have seen from the Dragons regarding the crowd vs Leeds is on the end of the highlights video on their YouTube channel (are links still banned here) which stated 8,500. I usually take figures from the club before anything else, and this is all I have found from the Dragons behalf.

I'm willing to change if I can find an official figure?

5,291 at Widnes tonight, 250 or so down on the equivalent fixture last year which is acceptable given the Thursday night TV timeslot.

Still poor though considering they were pulling in close to 4,000 playing a comparable local club ( Leigh ) in the Championship also on thursday nights a few years back, especially considering their impressive start

Kinda agree,, their crowds seem to be stagnating rather than growing. The 8k they got for their first game back in SL vs Wakefield showed that the potential is there..

They did not have an outstanding season last year. So it could be a hang over from that, but given their table topping exploits you would hope the club could capitalize on that sooner rather than later.

Get em in whilst your winning!

Neither did 80% of SL clubs, and there is the problem, constant stagnation of clubs stuck in the ' never going to win anything, nothing to play for ' middle to bottom of a competition does not encourage growth, then you have the fallen ' Giants ' whose loyal fans are now abandoning them like rats on a sinking ship,

Couple that with a glass ceiling for 2 nd tier and you slowly erode away fans interest

except as gets proven time and time again, middling SL clubs get better attendances than those involved in a relegation fight

I'd suggest that if we had a SUPER league, no clubs would currently be involved in a relegation fight, they would all be looking to win the competition at this moment

Either way, it is the clubs including yours that voted it in, they are obviously all idiots including mr Caddick and mr Hetherington

That doesn’t make any sense. If you have relegation, however ‘Super’ a league is, clubs will still be fighting against relegation.

Or they like money. I'd wager the likes of Leeds will make a hell of a lot more money out of this new structure. The big clubs are very well served by it. Its everyone else who is going to get screwed over.

So whats your problem, Leeds do better out of it, all is well in the world, but dont ever come on here and praise Mr Caddick or Hetherington for wanting whats best for the game ever again ,they are no different to any other self interested club chairmen yiur like to castigate

Wouldnt you say?

Caddick and Heatherington do far more for the game than most chairmen, they do think far more altruistically than many in the game deserve. It isnt up to them to carry the whole game.

Yes and they supported and voted for this system

and they will do well out of it. Others will be left behind. Others who it has to be remembered, were desperate for this system.

Like who?

5,326 at St Helens according to sporting life

That can't be right can it?
[urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live-scores[/url

and the SL site too?
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/report/9931[/url

No club is going to get screwed over,nothing whatsoever is going to change "long term"unless some seriously rich men step in at one of the wanna be clubs.

massive Parachute payments will distort the middle 8.

SLE/rfl are already dishing out 2017 tv money to the same clubs that have wasted the 2012 tv.

The more wealthier SLE clubs are currently working on a plan were as they can give another 200k to the failing members of SLE through the marquee,GT nonsense.

Its a closed shop,i dont even know why you bother arguing with people

Quote ="gutterfax"5,326 at St Helens according to sporting life That can't be right can it? [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live-scores[/url and the SL site too? [urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/report/9931[/url'" Was given out as 11,900 ish at the match (with it "annoyingly busy in the west stand" listening to those I've spoken to) To be fair, the saints website have us down as winning 42-18 so anything could be possible at this point! EDIT: according to bbc saints had a player score who they have said wasn't even playing tonight (soliola, started on the bench but the bbc report says Beaumont was on the bench instead of him - they still have him (correctly) scoring a try though) www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26437524

Quote ="gutterfax"5,326 at St Helens according to sporting life That can't be right can it? [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live-scores[/url and the SL site too? [urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/report/9931[/url'" Was given out as 11,900 ish at the match (with it "annoyingly busy in the west stand" listening to those I've spoken to) To be fair, the saints website have us down as winning 42-18 so anything could be possible at this point! EDIT: according to bbc saints had a player score who they have said wasn't even playing tonight (soliola, started on the bench but the bbc report says Beaumont was on the bench instead of him - they still have him (correctly) scoring a try though) www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/26437524

11,307 at the KC about 400 up on last season.

Saints crowd was 11,818 according to their own site (and corrected the score ) www.saintsrlfc.com/results/match-report/3536 No idea how that compares

Saints crowd was 11,818 according to their own site (and corrected the score ) www.saintsrlfc.com/results/match-report/3536 No idea how that compares

Correct, but a lower attendance for that particular fixture than turned up in 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007 (twice), 2006, 2005, 2004 (twice) and 2003.

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Saints crowd was 11,818 according to their own site (and corrected the score ) www.saintsrlfc.com/results/match-report/3536 No idea how that compares'" During the 14 team, Top 8 play-off era 2013: 10,820 2012: 12,435 2011: 7,740 (at Widnes) 2010: 9,458 2009: 11,830

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Saints crowd was 11,818 according to their own site (and corrected the score ) www.saintsrlfc.com/results/match-report/3536 No idea how that compares'" During the 14 team, Top 8 play-off era 2013: 10,820 2012: 12,435 2011: 7,740 (at Widnes) 2010: 9,458 2009: 11,830